Dolphins coveting Manning

[shamphin]

Manning isn't worth 28m. If you wouldn't take a chance on Brees why spend a lot of money on a qb that's missed the whole season. If the Colts don't want him back why should we. Manning had his day and his day has passed. We need a qb to build our team with , not qb that we hope is healthy enough to take us to a championship.I want to be competitive for the next 20 yrs not the next 1 or 2yrs,if he's healthy, then search for another qb. We need to draft our own and stop getting everyone's has beens. I think Marino was our pick and not someones has been. RGIII!!

[EKnight]

RGIII sounds great, but how do you propose Miami gets him from the 8th or 9th spot in the draft without selling the house? The Marino comparison is great, but so is a comparison to what the Vikings gave up to get Walker or what the Saints did with Williams. Look at Oakland- they've crippled their franchise by giving away so many picks for two guys who aren't working out. How would you propose to get RGIII? -EK

[shamphin]

Don't know, hopefully the teams picking ahead of us go brain dead. My question is if he's there will we pull the trigger and get him? Or will we put our money in someone else's backup / hasbeen?

[Pappy13]

But who is a better fit for the Dolphins right now as they rebuild...Flynn. Younger, knows the offense, knows the coach.  He will be here longer. Now maybe Flynn is AJ Feely Part 2. But maybe Manning is damaged goods and not the same. Both guys are a risk on some level.

You know as well as I do there is no such thing as rebuilding in the NFL anymore. Philbin will be expected to win in his first year. Not necessarily win big, but he'll be expected to compete.  Manning gives you a better chance at that than does Flynn provided he's healthy.

The only concern anyone has with Manning is his health and I'm not really too concerned with that. People are misinformed about his surgery. It was done to relieve pain,that's it. There's no more risk of him being hurt because of this surgery.  Manning played with the injury for most of 2010 and it didnt keep him off the field. What forced him to get the surgery was pain. He simply couldn't play with the pain anymore. The surgery is supposed to fix that so he'll be fine if there's no pain. That's the only question is whether or not the pain will return. It has nothing to do with him getting hurt again. His neck is not any more at risk because of the surgery than it was prior to the surgery. Other NFL'ers have had the surgery and it did not effect their career's and they weren't QB's who typically don't take a pounding in the NFL these days. If anything Manning will be protected more than ever by the zebras. You couldn't look at Tom Brady the wrong way without being flagged when he first came back from his injury. It will be the same with Manning.

If there's no pain than Manning easily has a few years left in the tank. He would be more than a stop gap for a couple of years while you go try to find the next Dan Marino in the draft. You don't need Flynn if you have Manning, you can get a young QB in the draft. Maybe not this year, but maybe next year.

And I've heard that Manning has no intention of letting the Colts off the hook for the 28 million they will owe him in March. I think he wants them to make a decision. Either keep him and he's the starter in Indy or cut him and let him look for another team. Make a decision.

So if it were me, and it's not, I would go after Manning if he becomes available, but if that doesn't work out than I try to get Flynn.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Don't know, hopefully the teams picking ahead of us go brain dead. My question is if he's there will we pull the trigger and get him? Or will we put our money in someone else's backup / hasbeen?

I think some times "group think" combined with not doing your homework can be a barrior to a smart move.  

If you have the first overall pick you no doubt look at everyone.  But are the Dolphin's even spending time evaluating Luck?  Possibibly not. (I know the above was not about Luck) Everyone assumes he will be gone with the first pick.  Everyone has a ton to do before the draft so why waste time on players you have no chance at.  So let say Luck falls all the way to the Dolphins, without any real anaylsis they could say...well the other teams all must have found something seriously wrong with him we didn't see, so we need to pass on him too.  

I think that is why some players free fall in the draft.  

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

You know as well as I do there is no such thing as rebuilding in the NFL anymore. Philbin will be expected to win in his first year.

Actually there is.  Anything better than 1-15 and Philbin gets a second year. Ireland on the other hand is on a lot of pressure to show results.   

[EKnight]

Anything better than 1-15?? How's that work? If Miami goes 4-12 next season, that's a step back and Philbin would be on the hot seat like any other coach who slid two games. -EK

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Anything better than 1-15?? How's that work? If Miami goes 4-12 next season, that's a step back and Philbin would be on the hot seat like any other coach who slid two games. -EK

He wouldn't get fired.  He would be at serious risk for the next year.  But he wouldn't get fired. 

[Pappy13]

Actually there is.  Anything better than 1-15 and Philbin gets a second year. Ireland on the other hand is on a lot of pressure to show results.   

I wouldn't be so sure. You might be right, because the bar is pretty low here in Miami. They just went 6-10 so a 2-14 campaign could be passed off as a rebuilding year and you might get away with it, but you'd have show some kind of progress. The 2 wins might have to come in weeks 16 and 17 or something along those lines. But I could just as easily see a 2-14 or 3-13 get Philbin removed after 1 year.

And getting Manning would surely prevent that. Flynn, I'm not so sure about. So again, if I'm Philbin, I'd rather have Manning, no offense Matt, but you gotta have a few skins on the wall before you can compete with Manning even when he's 36 and coming off a lost season due to surgery. He STILL seems to have more upside than you.

[CF DolFan]

You might be right, because the bar is pretty low here in Miami.

this sadly made me laugh. Truth hurts doesn't it? 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

because the bar is pretty low here in Miami.

I don't think it is a matter of the bar being low.  It is just you give a coach two years. 

You don't win championships by changing coaches every year. 

Look at how the Steelers do it. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Miami is not alone.....

If the Indianapolis Colts divorce Peyton Manning, he’ll be attracting more lustful glances from the pimpled and deficient than a Homecoming Queen at the senior prom.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/24/peytons-new-place

[Landshark]

He wouldn't get fired.  He would be at serious risk for the next year.  But he wouldn't get fired. 

Really?  If memory serves me correctly, the Dolphins had a 6-10 campaign in Nick Saban's last season.  Cam Cameron came in, brought in his own quarterback and his own offensive philosophies (which proved to be offensive to the fans), posted a 1-15 fiasco, lost the locker room, and was promptly axed after the season ended.

Not to say that is how things will play out with Philbin, but no coach is immune to firing after their first season.  

If I remember, Pete Carroll got fired from the Jets after only one season there as well.

[MikeO]

He wouldn't get fired.  He would be at serious risk for the next year.  But he wouldn't get fired. 

exactly. It takes a lot for a coach to get fired after 1 year. KC even gave Haley damn near half of a 2nd year before pulling the plug.

And I honestly believe Ross when he said he doesn't want to go through another coach search for a long while. He looked exhausted on Saturday and worn out from all of this.

[el diablo]

Doesn't matter how exhausted he looked. Failure to land The Big Name coach. Failure to land The Franchise QB. Regression in the record. Oh, you will see exhaustion.