Dolphins coveting Manning

[Phishfan]

The only concern anyone has with Manning is his health and I'm not really too concerned with that. People are misinformed about his surgery. It was done to relieve pain,that's it. There's no more risk of him being hurt because of this surgery.  Manning played with the injury for most of 2010 and it didnt keep him off the field. What forced him to get the surgery was pain. He simply couldn't play with the pain anymore. The surgery is supposed to fix that so he'll be fine if there's no pain. That's the only question is whether or not the pain will return. It has nothing to do with him getting hurt again. His neck is not any more at risk because of the surgery than it was prior to the surgery. Other NFL'ers have had the surgery and it did not effect their career's and they weren't QB's who typically don't take a pounding in the NFL these days. If anything Manning will be protected more than ever by the zebras. You couldn't look at Tom Brady the wrong way without being flagged when he first came back from his injury. It will be the same with Manning.

If there's no pain than Manning easily has a few years left in the tank.

There is a little more to it than that. Apparently the nerve damage caused issues with his triceps and arm strength. If the nerve doesn't regenerate, and there is no way to tell how that is progressing, he won't have his normal arm strength and will be a shadow of his former self on the field. He is throwing currently but still has a way to go before belonging in the field from what I hear.

[Pappy13]

^^ That's news to me, but you might be right, I'm only going by what I read about the surgery.

Still the fact that people seem to be suggesting that Manning is going to be more prone to injury because of the surgery just isn't true. If the nerve damage prevents him from regaining the strength in his arm, then he might be done, but if he gets the strength in his arm back, then he's going to be fine and there's no need to worry about the injury. That doesn't mean he can't be injured again, but it's not more likely just because he was injured before or because he had the surgery.

[Phishfan]

The nerve issue is why he had the surgeries.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Going the Manning route definately means the Dolphins are more interested in win now than developing a fanchise QB. 

Even if he does play in 2012, how many season do you really expect out of him. (Yeah, I know there was a QB from Greenbay that played until he was eligible for social security but that is not the norm.) 

[Cathal]

I would assume he would be good another 2 or 3 years. And wouldn't you draft a QB to have him sit behind Peyton for a year or two?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I would assume he would be good another 2 or 3 years. And wouldn't you draft a QB to have him sit behind Peyton for a year or two?

You going to draft him in the first round?  Pay him top 10 pay.  And pay Peyton "PayMeATon" Manning.  How much salary cap room you got to spend on the rest of the roster?  Or you think Peyton is going to Miami at a discount cause he thinks it is his best place to win a ring?

[Pappy13]

The nerve issue is why he had the surgeries.

I understand, but the surgery was in the neck not in the shoulder. There's a misconception that his neck/back is the issue. That's not the case from my understanding. The neck surgery was done to relieve pain. I thought the pain was in the neck/back, but it may not have been, the pain may have been in the shoulder or maybe the pain was in the neck/back but it also caused problems with the shoulder, I don't know. My understanding is that the injury to the nerve occurred during the 2010 season and Manning played with the injury in 2010 and had planned to play with the injury in 2011, but the pain became too much, hence the surgery. I wasn't aware of any shoulder problem until you mentioned it, but I heard something this morning that seemed to agree with you that there was concern that his shoulder wouldn't be ready before the season. I assumed that was caused by the surgery, but you're saying it was caused by the nerve damage, so I'm not really sure what the whole story is.

If there was nerve damage in the shoulder, how was he able to play with the injury in 2010?

This is all that I could find about his shoulder injury:

"A renowned spinal surgeon Dr. Neel Anand told USA TODAY Friday that the Colts would be best advised to shut Manning down for "at least six months'' to give the fusion every opportunity to heal and allow the weakened triceps nerve in his throwing shoulder every chance to recover."

So apparently there was some damage to the nerve in his shoulder as well, which may have been one of the 2 other surgeries that Manning had. This goes back to my original point though that it's not his back/neck that are the problem, it's the nerve damage that is the problem. The surgery to the neck was to relieve pain, I didn't know about shoulder being weakened from the nerve damage. So the real issue to his recovery is how his shoulder responds, that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is for people to say that he's more likely to be reinjured. That's not the issue from my understanding. If the shoulder recovers, then he's going to be fine. He's not more likely to be reinjured because he had surgery on his neck to fuse the vertebrae. It takes time to heal, but once it heals it's fine. Like I have said before, there have been other NFL players have this surgery and it did NOT end their career nor did it shorten their careers. Once they had the surgery they did not have any more issues.

[el diablo]

Well, the ball is in Indy's court. The problem is that if the Colts release him, there's a reason. That is scary. At the same time, bringing him in kills the opportunity to fill other holes. I'm sorry. I don't see that as the way to go. Its a way to sell tickets.

[MikeO]

Well, the ball is in Indy's court. The problem is that if the Colts release him, there's a reason. That is scary. At the same time, bringing him in kills the opportunity to fill other holes. I'm sorry. I don't see that as the way to go. Its a way to sell tickets.

The ONLY "reason" is they don't want to pay him $28 million and then have to pay Luck on top of that. That's why they will release him.

Manning at 60% is better than any QB Miami has had since Marino. I still think this is all a ploy to divert attention away from Flynn. I might be dead wrong in the end, but I don't see Manning to Miami. I think Miami is using this chatter and floating these stories and rumors out there with a purpose behind it. I mean if they lose Flynn would they take Peyton, yeah sure. But I think Flynn sit atop their wish list. This is one giant poker game being played right now through the press

[el diablo]

Given their track record, going through the press is not their strong suit.

I doubt the only reason why they would release Peyton is because of their greed. They had no problem making this deal last year. The roster bonus was insurance because they knew he was playing hurt. If he was healthy this year, this wouldn't even be an issue. They would have happily paid him to hold on to the final 2-3 years of his career.

[MikeO]

Given their track record, going through the press is not their strong suit.

I doubt the only reason why they would release Peyton is because of their greed. They had no problem making this deal last year. The roster bonus was insurance because they knew he was playing hurt. If he was healthy this year, this wouldn't even be an issue. They would have happily paid him to hold on to the final 2-3 years of his career.

Well they didn't think they would have Andrew Luck fall in their laps

[MikeO]

LaCanfora reported today the Colts decided a couple weeks back to part with Manning. He is reporting it will happen "almost certainly" before the Combine begins.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/01/28/la-canfora-manning-decision-made-weeks-ago/?module=HP11_headline_stack

[masterfins]

^^^ For the last couple weeks its seemed like Manning and the Colts have been trying to find a way to severe ties without looking like the bad guy.

[Diehard_Dolfan]

The ONLY "reason" is they don't want to pay him $28 million and then have to pay Luck on top of that. That's why they will release him.

Manning at 60% is better than any QB Miami has had since Marino. I still think this is all a ploy to divert attention away from Flynn. I might be dead wrong in the end, but I don't see Manning to Miami. I think Miami is using this chatter and floating these stories and rumors out there with a purpose behind it. I mean if they lose Flynn would they take Peyton, yeah sure. But I think Flynn sit atop their wish list. This is one giant poker game being played right now through the press

I hope that is the case!

I like Manning... I just don't see him being the right fit for us now!  The money he will cost us and maybe a franchise QB we would probably loose out on also.  We can't draft a QB 1st round when you paying Peyton... then to be back in this position looking for a QB in 2-3 yrs would just drive me insane!

[MikeO]

I hope that is the case!

I like Manning... I just don't see him being the right fit for us now!  The money he will cost us and maybe a franchise QB we would probably loose out on also.  We can't draft a QB 1st round when you paying Peyton... then to be back in this position looking for a QB in 2-3 yrs would just drive me insane!

Manning might end up being cheaper than Flynn. Flynn is younger with a longer shelf life and will demand more. Manning at 36 won't get more than a 3 year deal I would think.

IF they go Manning I think the plan would have to be to draft a QB in rounds 2 or 3 to start to prepare to take over down the road. Probably not round 1 but they would take someone