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el diablo
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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2012, 08:49:59 am »
Quote from: MikeO on January 29, 2012, 05:32:00 am
Manning might end up being cheaper than Flynn. Flynn is younger with a longer shelf life and will demand more. Manning at 36 won't get more than a 3 year deal I would think.



Kevin Kolb signed a 6yr 65 mil contract last year. Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 7yr 62 mil contract extension. Both are in the Flynn age group with "potential". Let's say Flynn did demand 7 years. He still wouldn't get more than maybe 75 mil. That would be an avg of 10.7 mil.
Now Peyton would be losing 28 mil if he gets released. He wouldn't sign for less than 20 mil per season. 3 yrs, 60 mil or 4 yrs, 80 mil. How would Flynn be cheaper than Manning? Nobody is going to pay Flynn 20 mil per season.
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« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2012, 09:17:46 am »
Quote from: el diablo on January 29, 2012, 08:49:59 am
Kevin Kolb signed a 6yr 65 mil contract last year. Ryan Fitzpatrick got a 7yr 62 mil contract extension. Both are in the Flynn age group with "potential". Let's say Flynn did demand 7 years. He still wouldn't get more than maybe 75 mil. That would be an avg of 10.7 mil.
Now Peyton would be losing 28 mil if he gets released. He wouldn't sign for less than 20 mil per season. 3 yrs, 60 mil or 4 yrs, 80 mil. How would Flynn be cheaper than Manning? Nobody is going to pay Flynn 20 mil per season.

Kolb got 5 years and $21 mill guaranteed. The guaranteed money is all that matters for salary cap purposes the rest means nothing. Flynn's market according to many reports is only in the 4 to 5 year range, he isn't getting 7 years not even close!  And his deal will be similar to Kolb's, maybe a slight bump in guaranteed money. So around $22-$24 mill guaranteed over the life of the deal.

Peyton isn't getting $20 mill per season at his age and with his injury. That won't be his market. He may get more guaranteed on his name value alone but its not a given. We will see how it plays out
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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2012, 10:02:42 am »
I figured that you would go the guaranteed route. I'll give you that Flynn may not get 7 yrs. Five to six is more plausible. Even with that, you're still looking at 2-3 yrs of investment. Which would be the same type of commitment for Peyton. The Colts paid  Peyton 26 mil for NOT playing this season. If Peyton clears a physical, he will not play for less than 20 mil. Favre didn't, neither will Peyton.
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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2012, 07:54:40 pm »
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-peyton-manning-0204-20120203,0,7261621.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+orlandosentinel%2Fdolphins+%28OrlandoSentinel.com%3A+Miami+Dolphins+News%29&utm_content=ESPN



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« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2012, 05:26:27 pm »
^^^ Article indicates Manning will probably get about $15M per year, which is certainly more palatable than the $20's.  Probably throw in some performance bonuses (like number of starts, playoff apperances, playoff wins, Super Bowl?) and Miami could be enticing for Manning.  Manning doesn't just want to play, he wants to go to the Super Bowl; so I think Miami has one of the better bases to do that (of the teams interested in him).  The big benefit is you don't have to give up any draft picks.
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« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2012, 12:53:55 pm »
Adam Schefter reporting that sources have told him Peyton is willing to play for little or NO guaranteed money! And is willing to do it every year of his deal. Play for Pay type roster bonuses. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7543001/peyton-manning-flexible-deal-demands-sources-say


Seriously, if he is willing to do that....sign him. Draft a QB in Round 2 and lets play some football! If Peyton does that he is a true NFL warrior who wants to compete and win before all else. Give me that guy on my team! Yeah its a roll of the dice with the injury, but if he will do his contract that way there is almost no risk in signing him. ONLY reward!
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« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2012, 01:36:50 am »
here..here.......let's catch hic brother Eli, with not only the best  signing in Fins hstory,  BUT...the comeback player of the year to go along with Super Bowl MVP!
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« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2012, 02:56:47 pm »

I'm all for seeing Peyton Manning under center for Miami this season, but instead of going out and drafting a 2nd or 3rd round QB to groom, I'd prefer to put those picks into a couple more top-shelf caliber O-line prospects to help keep Peyton on his feet and healthy. I'd be just fine with Moore backing up Manning...I just want to see Manning stay healthy for 16 games (plus playoffs).

Of course, until he actually signs with the Phins, this is all just a droolworthy pigskin pipe dream...
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« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2012, 02:59:36 pm »
Quote from: Sunstroke on February 06, 2012, 02:56:47 pm
I'm all for seeing Peyton Manning under center for Miami this season, but instead of going out and drafting a 2nd or 3rd round QB to groom, I'd prefer to put those picks into a couple more top-shelf caliber O-line prospects to help keep Peyton on his feet and healthy. I'd be just fine with Moore backing up Manning...I just want to see Manning stay healthy for 16 games (plus playoffs).




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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2012, 12:52:13 pm »

I just saw that McShay had dropped Justin Blackmon down from 8 to 12 on his big board, and I had a momentary pigskin wet daydream... Peyton Manning (healthy) under center for Miami, with Reggie Bush in the backfield and Brandon Marshall and Justin Blackmon split out wide. Mercy buckets...

I'll be back in a few minutes...I need some tissues here.
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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2012, 01:21:06 pm »
He moved him there, but based on picks, his mock has the Redskins taking him at 6. Unless Murtha has impressed the staff enough to rely on him, I still think Miami drafts an OL in round one. Sorry to ruin your dream. -EK
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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2012, 01:33:32 pm »
Quote from: el diablo on January 25, 2012, 05:50:56 pm
Well, the ball is in Indy's court. The problem is that if the Colts release him, there's a reason. That is scary. At the same time, bringing him in kills the opportunity to fill other holes. I'm sorry. I don't see that as the way to go. Its a way to sell tickets.

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Agree. That is how I see it as well. I sign PM only if I am convinced Flynn is not the guy (big IF IMO), he comes reasonably priced and they would be able to draft a QB (Tannehill) in this years draft.
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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2012, 08:56:02 pm »
If the Dolphins were to sign Manning, it would be a total waste to draft a QB this year.  It would just be taking a flyer on a guy that wouldn't get any playing time, especially since you have a decent backup QB that could start.  Much better to fill in some other needs, or trade for a future pick where you might be able to combine some picks for a 1st round draft pick.
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