Glogging the Super Bowl

[Pappy13]

The Tom Brady Mystique is over and possibly the Belichick Mystique as well.

[raptorsfan29]

The Tom Brady Mystique is over and possibly the Belichick Mystique as well.

That was over after spygate.

[Cathal]

I'm not sure how the mystique is over when they lose on the last drive but I'll take it.

[suck for luck]

Eli > Tom

Lmao at the cheatriots, pretty boy and coach thrift store.

[Pappy13]

I'm not sure how the mystique is over when they lose on the last drive but I'll take it.

The fact that they lost. He and Belicheck were 3 for 3 early in his career, but they are 0-2 since then. A couple years ago it seemed like NY got the breaks to be beat New England, but this year in the SB, New England got some breaks and still couldn't win it. You can't argue the Giants were fortunate here, the way I saw it, the Patriots were fortunate to still have a chance on the last play of the game.

[MikeO]

Belichick is on the Shula path. Win a bunch of rings early on, lose a bunch later in your career.

But the comparisons to Noll and Lombardi are OVER as of tonight

[Cathal]

The mystique is only over, in my eyes, if they start becoming an average team. They are far from that and could have won this game if welker catches a wide open pass or thy recover any one of the fumbles. The giants got lucky a lot, and with a ridiculous catch by Manningham.

[masterfins]

The Pats didn't have that great of a team this year, but they have a stockpile of draft picks to use this year.  With a good draft this year they could shoot back up.  Have to give any team credit for making it to the Super Bowl.

[Pappy13]

Ok, let's get something straight.  Welker *could* have caught that pass, but it was by no means an easy catch. He had to leave his feat and was falling backwards. Maybe he makes that catch 7 out of 10 times, but it's not a sure thing, it would have been a heluva catch. If you really want to blame someone, how about blaming Brady because Welker was open and Brady missed him, simple as that. Brady missed a couple other throws as well.

And speaking of breaks, New England got a couple of their own. That first holding call on the Giants when they got a first down was downright a HORRIBLE call. Remember all the talk about the referee's swallowing their whistle? Where was it on that call? That was a first down for the Giants and may have lead to points, but instead they have to punt and Brady gets the ball back with time on the clock to go down for the go ahead TD. Take away that HORRIBLE holding call and the Giants might have scored and New England may not have had time to score.  That was HUGE in favor of New England. And how about the 2 non calls on pass interference? Both *could* have been called and neither was. Now, I'm not saying they *should* have been called, I thought the non calls were right, but I also thought the holding call should have been a non call as well, so the non calls didn't even out, they favored the Patriots BIG TIME. If all 3 of those calls go the other way, the Giants may have been blowing New England out by the time the 4th quarter comes.

[Cathal]

I did see a replay of the one horrible holding call against the Giants which shouldn't have been called, but I didn't see any other blown calls. I didn't see anything that should have been called pass interference. I'm saying that the Giants got lucky that the Pats had the dropsies late and that the two or three fumbles all went the Giants way. If the Pats recover one of those, and catch a few easy passes, the game is over.

There really isn't anything to talk about regarding that. Now, there are definately cracks in the Pats, as have been evident the entire year. They were just good enough (and lucky at times) to overcome those problems.

[Pappy13]

I did see a replay of the one horrible holding call against the Giants which shouldn't have been called, but I didn't see any other blown calls. I didn't see anything that should have been called pass interference.

No, they weren't blown calls, but they were close. Very close. Hands on the player before the ball arrives etc. Not clearly pass interference, but close. And it wasn't just 1, I think there 3 occasions where there was some looking at the officials. It was fortunate for New England that none of them were called.

I'm saying that the Giants got lucky that the Pats had the dropsies late and that the two or three fumbles all went the Giants way.

One of the fumbles was negated by New England having 12 men on the field, that's on them, has nothing to do with being fortunate. Giants were fortunate that they recovered the other fumbles, but at least those things were decided by the players, the holding call was on the officials.

[Phishfan]

To be fair, the ref do not have the advantage of slow motion instant replay. On that holding call the lineman had his arm outside of the defender (was it Wilfork, I just remember he was huge) and the defender's body was turned around. In fast motion I see how that gets called holding.

[Pappy13]

Granted that may get called during the season from time to time, but it was fully established that the refs were letting them play in the playoffs and there was nothing on that play that indicated definately holding. Nothing.

It wasn't anything like the hold called on the Patriots where the guy had CLEARLY beaten his man and he threw his arm around his neck.  Now THAT'S holding.

[Cathal]

No, they weren't blown calls, but they were close. Very close. Hands on the player before the ball arrives etc. Not clearly pass interference, but close. And it wasn't just 1, I think there 3 occasions where there was some looking at the officials. It was fortunate for New England that none of them were called.
One of the fumbles was negated by New England having 12 men on the field, that's on them, has nothing to do with being fortunate. Giants were fortunate that they recovered the other fumbles, but at least those things were decided by the players, the holding call was on the officials.

Yes, those were close but I didn't see anything that should have made it a penalty. I did forget that there were 12 men on the field, you are correct about that. Just another crack in their armor.

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