The Henne era is officially over for the Dolphins

[Landshark]

^^^^^

Now this made me laugh so hard, I doubled over with stomach pains

[MikeO]

See what I mean? 

Thanks MikeO, I knew I could count on ya! 

I know everyone thinks that Henne is crap and Moore is ready to take Miami to new heights, but the reality is that Moore WASN'T signficantly better this year. He was a little better. 87 passer rating against 79 passer in 2011 with the same personell. And Moore padded his stats with GREAT games against KC and Buffalo where he posted a 147, 133 and 122 passer rating and his TD to INT ratio was 8 to 0. Other than those games he wasn't any better than Henne. Don't forget that the offense didn't really get going until about 8 games into the season, that there was very little preseason and there was a new offensive coordinator, new players etc. You throw all that into the mix and it's pretty obvious to someone as stupid as me that Moore looked MUCH improved as the year went on and he got comfortable with the offense, they figured out how to use Bush etc. No one really knows what Henne would have been able to accomplish this year had he stayed healthy. So yeah Moore looked great against some very suspect teams this year. I'm in no way convinced he's ANY better than Henne was.

Now I'm not crying for Henne that he was let go. He had his shot and he didn't produce, time to move on. I get that. But lets be honest here, anyone who thinks that Moore is gonna do a lot better than Henne did is fooling themselves.

You talk like there is a debate whether Henne is good or not, there is no debate! If you want to be on the Chad Henne is "good" bandwagon like you are claiming, go for. You can sit alone on that one.  He can't play. I don't know how much more of a sample size you need to see, but his sample size is enough now for most level headed people. The guy can't play. He isn't any good. One of two things will happen for Henne this offseason. Sparano will bring him to NY and hand him the back-up job to Sanchez. OR another team will offer him a minimum contract where Chad will have to fight for (yes fight for) the #2 QB position on a team.

Moore (while still crappy) was light years better than Henne ever was. And that's not even close or up for debate. At least Moore can play decent vs Bad Teams. Henne sucks vs good teams and bad teams. Moore has the capability to have a decent quarter or half on the occasion vs an inferior opponent, with Henne you never get that. The one thing about Henne is he gets worse each year and as time goes on. He was terrible before he got hurt this year, brutal.  No signs of improvement over his career. Only regression.

[SCFinfan]

I always felt that Henne seemed so immobile, stiff, and lost in his last 2 years with the team. It was odd. He was so fluid and relaxed (it seemed) when he took over for Pennington in 2009. Maybe that's just my fuzzy memory, but I think the numbers somewhat bear it out.

2009
   Cmp    Att    Yds    TD    Int    Lng
           10    19    92    0    1    27   v. Chargers (subbing in for an injured pennington)
           14    22    115    1    0    18   v. Bills
           20    26    241    2    0    59   v. Jets (this was the game where Rex said they made Henne look good)   
           18    36    211    0    2    67   v. Saints (remember, this was the game w/ all the Ginn drops)
           12    21    112    1    0    28   v. Jets
           
and on and on, all of his 2009 stats are here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HennCh01/gamelog/2009/

[Spider-Dan]

I know everyone thinks that Henne is crap and Moore is ready to take Miami to new heights, but the reality is that Moore WASN'T signficantly better this year. He was a little better. 87 passer rating against 79 passer in 2011 with the same personell. And Moore padded his stats with GREAT games against KC and Buffalo where he posted a 147, 133 and 122 passer rating and his TD to INT ratio was 8 to 0. Other than those games he wasn't any better than Henne.

Henne posted a 90.4 in a loss against the juggernaut known as the Browns.  Looks to me like Moore did better against the teams he was supposed to beat.  But let's compare apples to apples.

Henne posted a 93.6 in a blowout loss to NE, racking up a bunch of stats in garbage time.
Moore posted a 98.6 in a 3-point loss to NE.

In any case, since no one is claiming that Moore is a franchise QB, this really just proves the point:  the most charitable thing you can say about Henne is that he might be as good as a guy who is definitely not starter-quality.  So what does that really say about Henne?

[Pappy13]

Henne posted a 90.4 in a loss against the juggernaut known as the Browns.  Looks to me like Moore did better against the teams he was supposed to beat. 

Fair enough, but remember that was early in the year, with no preseason, a new offensive coordinator, a new RB tandem which Miami hadn't figured out how to use yet, etc.  Isn't it just possible he would have gotten better? Remember how Moore looked his first couple of starts? Dreadful. Worse than Henne by a wide margin. He got better as the year went on.

But let's compare apples to apples.

Henne posted a 93.6 in a blowout loss to NE, racking up a bunch of stats in garbage time.
Moore posted a 98.6 in a 3-point loss to NE.

Again, beginning of the year as opposed to the end. You telling me that you EXPECTED Miami's offense to be good in game 1? I didn't. I thought they actually did better than I expected.

In any case, since no one is claiming that Moore is a franchise QB, this really just proves the point:  the most charitable thing you can say about Henne is that he might be as good as a guy who is definitely not starter-quality.  So what does that really say about Henne?

More importantly (now) what does it say about Moore?

[Frimp]

I was a Henne fan..until Matt Moore came in and did what he did with the same cast, like the article points out.

[EKnight]

LOL, love Mike's sense of black and white. Just because he sat behind Pennington, doesn't mean the fans didn't decide he stunk, as Brian said. The two are not mutually exclusive. -EK

[MikeO]

LOL, love Mike's sense of black and white. Just because he sat behind Pennington, doesn't mean the fans didn't decide he stunk, as Brian said. The two are not mutually exclusive. -EK

Yeah because in Henne's rookie year of 2008 when he didn't play and the Fins were going 11-5, winning the AFC East, and Pennington finishes in 2nd place for the MVP award all we heard was Chad Henne hate coming out of Miami.  Give me a friggin break with this nonsense!

Talk about re-writing history and changing reality.

[tepop84]

I always felt that Henne seemed so immobile, stiff, and lost in his last 2 years with the team. It was odd. He was so fluid and relaxed (it seemed) when he took over for Pennington in 2009. Maybe that's just my fuzzy memory, but I think the numbers somewhat bear it out.

2009
   Cmp    Att    Yds    TD    Int    Lng
           10    19    92    0    1    27   v. Chargers (subbing in for an injured pennington)
           14    22    115    1    0    18   v. Bills
           20    26    241    2    0    59   v. Jets (this was the game where Rex said they made Henne look good)   
           18    36    211    0    2    67   v. Saints (remember, this was the game w/ all the Ginn drops)
           12    21    112    1    0    28   v. Jets
           
and on and on, all of his 2009 stats are here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HennCh01/gamelog/2009/

He sucked even in 2009.  that first Jets game was good though.  Basically all the idiot fans loved him because he could throw the ball hard and stupid people think that is what makes a good qb. 

[tepop84]

LOL, love Mike's sense of black and white. Just because he sat behind Pennington, doesn't mean the fans didn't decide he stunk, as Brian said. The two are not mutually exclusive. -EK

There were some fans who were begging to see Henne in 2008 even when the team was winning.  Who the hell though he sucked before he even played.

[EKnight]

There were a TON of people who thought that. YouTube the number of "Chad Henne sucks" videos from all the way back when he was at Michigan. Mike you're missing my point entirely. Irrespective of how Pennington did, you can't look at Henne sitting on the bench, having never taken a snap, and jump to the conclusion that he sucks, which is what some people did. -EK

[Phishfan]

they figured out how to use Bush

Didn't someone do an analysis of this and show Bush wasn't used differently, his performance just improved?

[Pappy13]

You got me there. 

[Landshark]

Yeah because in Henne's rookie year of 2008 when he didn't play and the Fins were going 11-5, winning the AFC East, and Pennington finishes in 2nd place for the MVP award all we heard was Chad Henne hate coming out of Miami.  Give me a friggin break with this nonsense!

Talk about re-writing history and changing reality.

I didn't hear any Henne hate until after the 2009 season

[Spider-Dan]

Fair enough, but remember that was early in the year, with no preseason, a new offensive coordinator, a new RB tandem which Miami hadn't figured out how to use yet, etc.  Isn't it just possible he would have gotten better? Remember how Moore looked his first couple of starts? Dreadful. Worse than Henne by a wide margin. He got better as the year went on.

Henne passer rating in first four starts:
vs. NE- 93.6
vs. HOU- 56.2
@ CLE- 90.4
@ SD- 53.1

Moore passer rating in first four starts:
@ NYJ- 41.8
vs. DEN- 92.6
@ NYG- 58.5
@ KC- 147.5

That doesn't look like "worse by a wide margin" to me.

Furthermore, what's this "no preseason" stuff?  There was a preseason; Miami played 4 games, the same as any other year.  There wasn't a full offseason, but in the limited offseason that Miami did have, Henne took all the starter snaps, working largely with players that he has been playing with for multiple years.  Moore was taking second-team snaps with players who didn't even make the team.

This line of reasoning does not help Henne's case.

Again, beginning of the year as opposed to the end. You telling me that you EXPECTED Miami's offense to be good in game 1? I didn't. I thought they actually did better than I expected.

Henne had his best outing in his first start and got worse from there.  Moore had his worst outing in his first start and got better from there.  The "new offense" excuse is just that; an excuse, as Henne was getting worse, not better.

More importantly (now) what does it say about Moore?

I imagine it says that he's not a starter-quality QB and that Miami should try to find a legit starter... which is what they are doing, in a rather overt and public fashion.

But this isn't about Moore.  This is about Henne, who is worse than Moore.  He was anointed as the QB of the future and he folded against three straight non-playoff teams to end his first season as a starter.  Then, when it was theorized that he just didn't have enough weapons, the brass went out and traded for a top-3 WR... and Henne's passer rating improved by two-tenths of a point.  He didn't get a bum rap, or get unfairly dumped on by the fans; he was handed the keys to the franchise and he ran the car into a ditch.