Workplace discrimination ???

[tubba marxxx]

I'm not sure.  If I had to venture a guess, it would be to man-up and just do your job.  If you don't like it, Quit.

[badger6]

I'm not sure.  If I had to venture a guess, it would be to man-up and just do your job.  If you don't like it, Quit.

Who said or implied that I didn't do my job ? I do my job every day. I'm tired of other people not doing their job and being treated differently than other employees of a different sex or age bracket. I don't think I should have to quit their job because of unfair business practices. Or maybe suckforluck means, as George Carlin once said. Be an obedient employee, just smart enough to do my work and willfully ignorant enough not to complain or speak up while getting fucked over. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JChUO4TLjnY

[Dave Gray]

For discrimination, you have to prove that it's specifically because you are a man.  It's because you have a penis.  That has to be the reason...Which is hard to prove and probably not true.  There are other assets that come with being male, which include increased strength, in most cases.

I've never been one to really care how poor a job others do (unless I'm managing them).  As long as I felt I was evaluated fairly, I didn't care if others got to skate by doing less.  It wasn't my concern.

[tubba marxxx]

Who said or implied that I didn't do my job ? I do my job every day. I'm tired of other people not doing their job and being treated differently than other employees of a different sex or age bracket. I don't think I should have to quit their job because of unfair business practices. Or maybe suckforluck means, as George Carlin once said. Be an obedient employee, just smart enough to do my work and willfully ignorant enough not to complain or speak up while getting fucked over. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JChUO4TLjnY

::  sigh :: I really don't care enough.  I was merely explaining what "suckforluck" meant when he said you had an unfortunate loss of your testicles.


Moreover, I also never implied that you didn't do your job, but it's common sense that you're not going to have a woman do the heavy lifting at a job.  Alas, I reiterate, if you hate your job..quit.  It's pretty simple.  

[Spider-Dan]

If you hate your job because you feel you are being unfairly discriminated against because of your sex, you should quit...?

So I gather, then, that if badger6 was a female and (along with the other females) was consistently asked to go fetch coffee for everyone or pick up dry cleaning for the boss, while the males were never asked to do any of these things, you would have the same opinion: suck it up or find another job?

Oh, and badger6: if I were you, I would give serious thought as to exactly what the women (and older men) are doing while you are unloading the trucks (or whatever).  Unless you can say with certainty that they are standing around watching you work, they may have the same argument that you have (only in reverse): they have been banished to pencil-pushing and other "women's work," while only the strapping young men are allowed to get some exercise.  Food for thought.

[Buddhagirl]

If you hate your job because you feel you are being unfairly discriminated against because of your sex, you should quit...?

So I gather, then, that if badger6 was a female and (along with the other females) was consistently asked to go fetch coffee for everyone or pick up dry cleaning for the boss, while the males were never asked to do any of these things, you would have the same opinion: suck it up or find another job?

Oh, and badger6: if I were you, I would give serious thought as to exactly what the women (and older men) are doing while you are unloading the trucks (or whatever).  Unless you can say with certainty that they are standing around watching you work, they may have the same argument that you have (only in reverse): they have been banished to pencil-pushing and other "women's work," while only the strapping young men are allowed to get some exercise.  Food for thought.

Yeah. I want to know what exactly are the women doing. Are they filing stuff? Getting coffee? On register? What are the tasks they're given? Do you have to do those as well?

[badger6]

If you hate your job because you feel you are being unfairly discriminated against because of your sex, you should quit...?

I don't recall saying I hate my job and why would I quit if I'm being discriminated against !!!

So I gather, then, that if badger6 was a female and (along with the other females) was consistently asked to go fetch coffee for everyone or pick up dry cleaning for the boss, while the males were never asked to do any of these things, you would have the same opinion: suck it up or find another job?

I am required to do everything in my in my department when needed as my job description requires me to do and they are not.

Oh, and badger6: if I were you, I would give serious thought as to exactly what the women (and older men) are doing while you are unloading the trucks (or whatever).  Unless you can say with certainty that they are standing around watching you work, they may have the same argument that you have (only in reverse): they have been banished to pencil-pushing and other "women's work," while only the strapping young men are allowed to get some exercise.  Food for thought.

I know exactly what they are doing (or not doing) because I am 10 feet away watching them do it. Again, I don't hate my job and do my job on a daily basis. Today I had 5 people standing there bullshitting with each other watching me work for 15 minutes. I posted this to get opinions on how to go about fixing this problem, because to me this goes against everything management and corporate says and seems to be against federal law. Whatever it is, it's a messed up situation.

Yeah. I want to know what exactly are the women doing. Are they filing stuff? Getting coffee? On register? What are the tasks they're given? Do you have to do those as well?

Put it this way. I'm required to do everything they do plus all the more physical work and they are just required to do all the easier jobs.

[Phishfan]

Sounds to my like the issue isn't discrimination. The issue is people are not working all the time. Personally, I'd drop the "I have to lift things because I am a young man" complaint because, as you can see from the consensus, it just comes off sounding whiny. I'd address the bigger issue of people standing around.

[tubba marxxx]

You just said that you're required to do more physical work than everyone else.  Sucks dude.  That's YOUR job. Not theirs. 


If anything, just talk to your boss about a "promotion" so that you can "stand around and do nothing." 

[Spider-Dan]

I don't recall saying I hate my job and why would I quit if I'm being discriminated against !!!

I was replying to tubba marxxxxxxx, who said that you should quit if you feel you are being discriminated against.  I do not agree with his position.

If you are certain that they are doing nothing while you are working, and there is no seniority card (or something similar) to be played, you should say something to the higher ups.  As Phishfan said, I would probably approach it from the standpoint of "I'm working and they are not" rather than discrimination.

[badger6]

I was replying to tubba marxxxxxxx, who said that you should quit if you feel you are being discriminated against.  I do not agree with his position.

If you are certain that they are doing nothing while you are working, and there is no seniority card (or something similar) to be played, you should say something to the higher ups.  As Phishfan said, I would probably approach it from the standpoint of "I'm working and they are not" rather than discrimination.

Well I have mentioned it a few times over the past year or so and nothing has happened. In fact, I brought if up off the clock while having a few drinks with a manager. And he asked me. "How would you feel if that was your mother having to do that physical labor" ? In which I replied that, "Maybe my mother shouldn't be working there if she couldn't fulfill the job requirements" !!! And since this has been brought to the managers attention several times and he still instructs people to do the very light work based on age and gender, then he is the ringleader of this situation. I'm not one to start rumors but who's to say this guy ain't getting blown or hand jobs off the clock for this preferential treatment. Look, I know things aren't gonna be 100% fair 100% of the time, but this is so obvious and ridiculous. The funny part is that I can remember a few years ago everyone would do everything, like it is supposed to be and I didn't mind helping out. Now whenever one of these exact same people have something even mildly difficult they ask for me help. I look at them like WTF is wrong with you ? Do that shit yourself asshole.......

[Cathal]

Then the manager is the problem, so long as he is the one doing the hiring. If he isn't doing the hiring and he is just given people to work in his department, then he is going to have to assign people the duties that they can actually perform. If he is doing the hiring then he's clearly the problem and you'd need to take it up with his boss. Of course, doing that could land you in hot water if it gets back to your manager. If you feel like it's worth the crap that may come your way, then you'll need to take it way up the chain.

[tubba marxxx]

Well I have mentioned it a few times over the past year or so and nothing has happened. In fact, I brought if up off the clock while having a few drinks with a manager. And he asked me. "How would you feel if that was your mother having to do that physical labor" ? In which I replied that, "Maybe my mother shouldn't be working there if she couldn't fulfill the job requirements" !!! And since this has been brought to the managers attention several times and he still instructs people to do the very light work based on age and gender, then he is the ringleader of this situation. I'm not one to start rumors but who's to say this guy ain't getting blown or hand jobs off the clock for this preferential treatment. Look, I know things aren't gonna be 100% fair 100% of the time, but this is so obvious and ridiculous. The funny part is that I can remember a few years ago everyone would do everything, like it is supposed to be and I didn't mind helping out. Now whenever one of these exact same people have something even mildly difficult they ask for me help. I look at them like WTF is wrong with you ? Do that shit yourself asshole.......

Then talk to HIS boss.  Everyone works under/over someone.  Talk to HR, ownership, upper management, whatever the case may be.  You're clearly not getting anywhere with him.

[tubba marxxx]

I was replying to tubba marxxxxxxx, who said that you should quit if you feel you are being discriminated against.  I do not agree with his position.

If discriminated against, then no, fight it.  However in this situation.  I don't see any discrimination.  Sorry

[Pappy13]

I know exactly what they are doing (or not doing) because I am 10 feet away watching them do it. Again, I don't hate my job and do my job on a daily basis. Today I had 5 people standing there bullshitting with each other watching me work for 15 minutes. I posted this to get opinions on how to go about fixing this problem, because to me this goes against everything management and corporate says and seems to be against federal law. Whatever it is, it's a messed up situation.

I think you're taking the wrong approach. I think if I were in your shoes I'd ask for a raise. Don't complain about the fact that you have to do the heavy lifting, merely state that you're doing everything the others do PLUS the heavy lifting. Therefore you deserve a bit more than them. I think management and possibly even your coworkers wouldn't have a big problem with that. That is as long as it's true. The problem is not that you are being discriminated against, the problem is that you're not getting equal pay for equal work.