Torn on Manning

[Spider-Dan]

The WR's are good (not great) add Wayne then the unit becomes great!

Add Reggie Wayne and MIA has the best WR corps in the league... and I don't think there's a team that's a close second.  (NO and IND are both being decimated this season.)

[el diablo]

I'm pretty sure we can mostly agree that while there are definite holes on this team, the QB issue is the biggest. You get the right guy in there, then you can deal with the deficiencies of some positions. Look at what we did with Matt Moore. If you stuck someone like Peyton in there at the start of this past season, we would for sure have been in the playoffs.

I can agree that the QB hole is very important. Its exciting to even be in the position of having options that could work. Realistically, all 3 (Manning, Flynn, & Griffin) have reasonable pros & cons. On paper, Manning makes perfect sense.  But, games aren't won on paper. If he signs, I will support that. It shows that Ross/Ireland are trying to build a winner. I just disagree with buying the "flashiest" name. Either way, it makes for a fun offseason. For once.

[el diablo]

Add Reggie Wayne and MIA has the best WR corps in the league... and I don't think there's a team that's a close second.  (NO and IND are both being decimated this season.)

So here's a quick question. Why not pair Wayne with Flynn in the new offensive scheme? Cost effective, but effective.

[MikeO]

So here's a quick question. Why not pair Wayne with Flynn in the new offensive scheme? Cost effective, but effective.

cost effective? You think Matt Flynn is coming for free? Flynn is getting between $20-24 (roughly) guaranteed money! That's cost effective?

[el diablo]

Its not $20-24  mil per year. So, in my eyes it would be.

[MikeO]

Its not $20-24  mil per year. So, in my eyes it would be.

Peyton ain't getting anywhere near that "per year"   

[EKnight]

Two words: Kevin Kolb. Flynn is a back up. If he was good enough to start he would have already. Vegas odds on Miami without Peyton: 7.4 wins, 21.5% chance of making playoffs, 3.6% chance of winning the division. WITH Manning: 10.5 wins, 73.9% chance of playoffs, 26.8% of winning the division. These oddsmakers have no dog in the fight. They are there to make money. Any single player that can add 3 wins, triple your chance at making the playoffs, and increase your shot at a division title by 20% is a no-brainer. These aren't odds on if he's healthy. They're not odds on if he runs a specific offense. They're flat odds on if the team signs him. This is a no brainer. -EK

[MikeO]

Add Reggie Wayne and MIA has the best WR corps in the league... and I don't think there's a team that's a close second.  (NO and IND are both being decimated this season.)

If Wallace stays in Pitt they would be up there, but overall I agree with you. Throw Reggie Wayne on Miami, with Marshall, Bess, Gates, and Hartline and that is a scary good unit!

[Spider-Dan]

So here's a quick question. Why not pair Wayne with Flynn in the new offensive scheme?

Because Reggie Wayne is a free agent, can choose where he signs, and is quite likely to steer himself towards the same team as the QB who made him a first-team All-Pro WR the last time he was playing?

Signing Manning dramatically increases MIA's chances of signing Wayne (at a discount, no less).  Not signing Manning nearly eliminates the chances of signing Wayne.

[el diablo]

Because Reggie Wayne is a free agent, can choose where he signs, and is quite likely to steer himself towards the same team as the QB who made him a first-team All-Pro WR the last time he was playing?

Signing Manning dramatically increases MIA's chances of signing Wayne (at a discount, no less).  Not signing Manning nearly eliminates the chances of signing Wayne.

I see your points. But Wayne has never said he wouldn't sign without Manning.  It may be true that signing Manning is a key to signing Wayne. But, there's a possibility of signing Wayne without Manning. He played without him last year.  Just thinking of different angles here. One of the knocks I had against Flynn was Green Bay's personnel. Marshall, Wayne, Bess, Hartline, Bush, & Faisano definitely trumps Jennings, Driver, Nelson, & Finley.

[Brian Fein]

Wayne wants to play with Peyton.  Bottom line, whoever signs Peyton has the lead horse in the Reggie Wayne lottery as well.

[mecadonzilla]

I have no problem bringing Reggie Wayne into Miami at all.  If it takes Peyton to bring him here, it would be worth it.  Even if Manning is too hurt to play, I still like Matt Moore throwing to Reggie Wayne and Brandon Marshall.

[Brian Fein]

I wonder if signing Reggie ahead of Peyton would convince Peyton a bit.  However, I don't think Reggie will even consider anything until Peyton decides.

[JVides]

I think Peyton-Wayne-Marshall becomes a scary good combo.  I think Manning will make Bess into Wes Welker, and Hartline into Pierre Garcon/Austin Collie.  I think the only thing the Dolphins risk by signing Manning is him being injured and them having to go out looking for another QB a year from now, whereas trading picks to move up causes Miami to be unable to fill in holes on Oline and defense while the team ages around a rookie QB that's not ready to play in the NFL.

I think this team lost a lot of 20-17 games over the years, and Manning instantly brings Miami's offensive output to 27.  You do what it takes to win while you can; there are no assurances either way (rebuilding vs. win now).  The basis is set.  The trenches are strong, the skill positions are decent to good.  We need a QB, a FS, a RT, and a pass rusher.  Add Manning and the rest is doable.

[MikeO]

Some reports say the Denver meeting went well. Others say Denver is still not a likely spot for Manning. Who the F' knows really. Although when Archie said last night Miami is still in play, I had Jeff Fisher flashbacks from a few months ago when his people said stuff like that to string the Fins along to the very end.

I guess Jacksonville is already all over Tebow when  the Broncos trade him IF they get Manning. They want to sell tickets and Denver wants his ass gone ASAP if Manning is signed. They have already contacted Denver about it.

Worst Case Scenario
Wash-RGIII
Seattle-Flynn
Denver-Manning
Browns-Tannehill (talk this morning they could take him as high as 4 now)

Miami......left holding their you know what in their hands and overpaying for Kyle friggin Orton.