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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 05:18:53 pm »

I think all of the nominees are a joke and you are right the GOP is in shambles. I want Obama gone but I do not see anyone from the GOP side currently that can win on their own.

Actually they had one legitmate candiate ---Newt.  I don't agree with him on most issues, but he is a legitmate statesman. 
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 09:49:40 pm »

I'm interested in your opinions.

From an outside perspective, it appears as if your party is in shambles.  It looks like your base is dwindling to only include Christian white men over 40.
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2012, 09:22:26 am »

You haven't been watching Survivor have you? They have the gayest of young gay guys on there and last week he said he was a Republican and he didn't believe in handouts. I can't stand the guy but it doesn't have anything to do wiht him being gay ... or a Republican!

And the election comes down to guys like him. 

I am going to vote for Obama.  Frimp is going to vote for the republician nominee.  It really doesn't matter what either of the canditates do between now and November as it concerns either mine or Frimps vote.

The question comes down to who wins the votes of homosexuals who want legalized gay marriages but oppose universal health care.  Or pro-life Catholics who  oppose gay marriage but support universal health care.  Or NRA members who oppose gun control and the "Patriot Act".  Etc.

Very few people agree with any canidate or parties platform 100%.  But as of late the democrats message has been one of inclusion, while the republicans are doing every thing they can to alinate people who agree with some but not all of their platform. 

 

 
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2012, 10:33:26 am »

In a town hall meeting, a woman asked McCain about Obama being a muslim. McCain interrupted her, and something along the lines of "Obama is a nice man, and we won't have any talk like that here." You can't run a dirty campaign, and all of a sudden, play nice. It won't work. I think the majority of the Republicans except for the Rubios, DeMints, and Jindals etc are simply afraid of being called a racist if they attack Obama.

I applaud McCain for doing that!  Remember, McCain had a strong record of working with the opposition before being painted as "another George Bush lackey" by the Democrats.  McCain had integrity, I thought, which is why they needed a pitbull who would say anything on the ticket (Palin).  I think that was the error.  They didn't choose a strategy, they mixed it up, with McCain as (largely) good cop and Palin as bad cop.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2012, 10:40:03 am »

Let's get real: McCain was an honorable politician, but his party was so badly damaged when it was his turn, that it didn't matter what he did.  The US wasn't electing another Republican after 2 terms of Bush.  He was just way too unpopular.

McCain, in order to drum up any enthusiasm at all, appealed to his base, but it just didn't fit him.  It ended up souring his image, both with the opposition and with his own party.
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2012, 11:05:06 am »

I thought McCain would have won if he didn't choose Palin.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2012, 11:32:50 am »

Remember, McCain had a strong record of working with the opposition before being painted as "another George Bush lackey" and by the Democrats. 

The democrats weren't entirely to blame for that.  While the dems did do there best to attribute the failing of GWB to McCain, McCain didn't have a very consistant message on whether he supported or opposed Bush on many issues.  McCain might have won if he had stuck with a message of his willingness to compromise with the democrats and his centerist history instead of graviting to the right. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2012, 11:33:42 am »

I was using that as one of many examples of how McCain torpedoed himself. He could have said something along the lines of Obama isnt a muslim, or he didn't believe one's religion should have anything to do with anything. But instead, he scolded the woman, and defended Obama's honor.

It will be interesting to see if the media and Obama gives Romney a pass on being a mormon like they did with Obama. Not holding my breath though.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2012, 11:33:53 am »

^ No chance.

You don't have a 2 term president that has very, very low approval ratings, a crashed economy, and then elect another guy from the same party with more-or-less the same policy platform.  It just doesn't happen. McCain could not win.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2012, 11:45:21 am »


It will be interesting to see if the media and Obama gives Romney a pass on being a mormon like they did with Obama. Not holding my breath though.

I expect that Romney's religion and his association with those who support bigomny, will be considersablely less of an issue this election than any one of the following:  (1) Obama's associations with black leaders that had made "unamerican" statements while condemning this countries history of slavery, segration and continued racism, (2) whether Obama was/is a Muslim, (3) statements made by leaders of Obama's church, (4) Obama's birth certificate, (5) Obama's middle name. (6) The similarity in the sounding of Obama and Osama's names.   

Will it come up...probably.  So don't hold your breath for a complete pass.  But Obama hardly got a pass in the media. 
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2012, 11:51:06 am »

I don't think that Romney's religion will play a factor in the general election at all.

The right is the more religious driven of the parties.  They are more likely to have "religious tests" on their candidates.  The left doesn't really do that.  They elect a wider variety of religious views to office.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2012, 12:26:54 pm »

I know more than a few Republicans who really have a problem voting for Romney because he is a Mormon.  These people are all hardcore Christians, and see Mormonism a cult and not a legitimate religion.  The less Romney plays the religion card would be to his advantage.
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2012, 01:11:35 pm »

I was using that as one of many examples of how McCain torpedoed himself. He could have said something along the lines of Obama isnt a muslim, or he didn't believe one's religion should have anything to do with anything.
That is what he said; I just posted the direct quote.  The woman said that Obama couldn't be trusted because he is an Arab.  McCain said that Obama is not an Arab (this is fact) and that Obama (a sitting Senator, mind you) is a decent citizen who he (McCain) has serious fundamental policy differences with, and that's what the campaign should be about.

If Republicans honestly believe that that kind of response is unacceptable, it confirms the point being made.

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It will be interesting to see if the media and Obama gives Romney a pass on being a mormon like they did with Obama.
Are you saying that the media gave Obama a pass on being a Muslim, or what exactly?  Obama is a plain-jane Christian.  That doesn't require a "pass" in America.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2012, 01:31:46 pm »

I know more than a few Republicans who really have a problem voting for Romney because he is a Mormon.  These people are all hardcore Christians, and see Mormonism a cult and not a legitimate religion.  The less Romney plays the religion card would be to his advantage.

Romney's religion is going to be a bigger issue with his own base than with independents. 

I don't see either side bringing it up.  Romney isn't the most skilled canidate to ever run but he is smart enough to know, "vote for me I a Mormon" isn't a winning campaign plan.

The dems aren't going to harp on it because it undercuts their own message that Obama should be judged on his leadership not his skin color.  Plus there is no reason to bother stirring up the Roy Moore wing of the republican party., that neither will vote for a Morman or a black and are going to stay home or vote third party anyway.   Anyone who considers Romney's religion an issue already knows his religion, the dems don't need to stir that pot. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2012, 08:39:38 pm »

A huge issue with the GOP is the absorption of the Tea Party crowd. They are very radically opposed to anything other than their vision, and they have caused a rupture within the party. The GOP screwed up when the brought them in top help with gains in the 2010 mid-terms, and now they are paying the price. The GOP has a serious identity crisis.
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