Marshall traded to the Bears!

[MikeO]

wow, thank God someone else agrees with me. McDuffie was a pretty good possession receiver and nothing more. One 1000 yard year and no probowls. The other day I cringed when I heard Sid Rosenhause say that McDuffie was a better player than Clayton and Duper.  

Clayton and Duper were above average NFL WR's.  McDuffie was a solid role playing WR. Much like a Davone Bess these days. Nice player, love to have him on your team, but not a guy opponents feared

[Spider-Dan]

Jumping the gun. Who said we are going the rookie route? Free agency is 3 hours old. Everyone needs to chill and wait and see how this plays out!

The best free agent WR available is Vincent Jackson, who is not as good as Marshall (and isn't exactly Teammate of the Year either).

Getting a WR better than Marshall would require a trade.  So who can you get (that is, again, better than Marshall) for two f'ing third round picks?  Mike Wallace (arguably a sidegrade; they have different skillsets) will cost you a first.  Anyone else will cost more than that.

This was a dumb move.  If it was needed to sign Manning, I can accept it as unfortunate but necessary.  If it's not for Manning's sake, Ireland's time in Miami needs to be ended.

[tubba marxxx]

The best free agent WR available is Vincent Jackson, who is not as good as Marshall (and isn't exactly Teammate of the Year either).

Getting a WR better than Marshall would require a trade.  So who can you get (that is, again, better than Marshall) for two f'ing third round picks?  Mike Wallace (arguably a sidegrade; they have different skillsets) will cost you a first.  Anyone else will cost more than that.

This was a dumb move.  If it was needed to sign Manning, I can accept it as unfortunate but necessary.  If it's not for Manning's sake, Ireland's time in Miami needs to be ended.

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[MikeO]

The best free agent WR available is Vincent Jackson, who is not as good as Marshall (and isn't exactly Teammate of the Year either).

Getting a WR better than Marshall would require a trade.  So who can you get (that is, again, better than Marshall) for two f'ing third round picks?  Mike Wallace (arguably a sidegrade; they have different skillsets) will cost you a first.  Anyone else will cost more than that.

This was a dumb move.  If it was needed to sign Manning, I can accept it as unfortunate but necessary.  If it's not for Manning's sake, Ireland's time in Miami needs to be ended.

we value Marshall differently so we will never agree. You have Marshall as this top WR in this league. I don't. So in your eyes replacing him is impossible. In mine its not. It's all good, we will just never agree on this issue and that is why.

[tubba marxxx]

we value Marshall differently so we will never agree. You have Marshall as this top WR in this league. I don't. So in your eyes replacing him is impossible. In mine its not. It's all good, we will just never agree on this issue and that is why.

Nobody said Marshall was a top WR nor impossible to replace....

[Pappy13]

Thank you for the transcript of the link I left haha

LOL. I hadn't seen your link when I posted that.

This is a great move for 3 reasons.

1) It creates more cap space. This is the biggest reason for this trade. Now what they do with the cap space remains to be seen so they could still screw this up, but I like the move regardless.

2) It brings in 2 more draft picks. I'm a firm believer in building from the draft. Again, they actually have to do something with the picks so it's only potentially good, but again I'm on board.

3) It gets rid of a diva receiva. We can argue all day about how valuable Marshall was to the Dolphins, but what you can't argue about is that he had lots of off field issues. If it makes the Dolphins even just a bit more attractive to Peyton or other free agents, I'm all for it.

I didn't hate Marshall, but he wasn't everything that we thought he would be either. I think they did pretty well getting 2 3rd round draft choices for him considering we gave 2 2nd round choices and he did a hell of lot more for Denver than he ever did for us.

[DZA]

Some of you all are BIG Hypocrites>>> Many of you BASH Marshall  year after year for dropping balls, talking shit, etc etc. Many of you WANTED THIS to happen.  Many of you wish they would trade this BUM, and now that he gone MANY of you saying ohhhhh WHY TRADE the BEST offensive Threat. LOL  wow.    I dont believe what threads i am seeing from many of you.

[Spider-Dan]

we value Marshall differently so we will never agree. You have Marshall as this top WR in this league. I don't. So in your eyes replacing him is impossible. In mine its not.

Fine.  So who can you replace him with for 2 third round picks?

This is my point.  Even if you personally aren't impressed by Marshall, he is CLEARLY better than anyone Miami could get from another team for 2 third-rounders, so trading is obviously not the solution.  As far as free agents go, Wallace will cost a first, and 1 pick at the end of the first round is more valuable than any 2 picks in the third round.  Furthermore, trading your best receiver before you have a replacement for him is reckless.

On its face, it's a dumb move, no matter how you slice it.  The only redeeming feature it could have is, "Peyton Manning told us to get rid of him," and you could apply that same logic to any player (or coach!) on the team.

[EKnight]

I've supported him throughout, wish him well, and think this was a horrible, bad, no good, crap move. -EK

[Pappy13]

Fine.  So who can you replace him with for 2 third round picks?

I don't know, we'll find out. We didn't just get 2 3rd round picks though, we also freed up a lot of cap space. Maybe we don't get a receiver to replace Marshall, but perhaps we get a better QB and perhaps a decent WR and a decent DE or something along those lines. You don't have to do a straight WR for WR swap to come out ahead. I still firmly believe that we could come out ahead on the deal. I don't know that we will, but I think it's well within the realm of possibility. We just have to wait and see how it all shakes out. Right now I'm on board. Come September it may be all for naught.

[MikeO]

Darlington, Lombardi, and La Canfora are all reporting (mostly on NFL Network) that there was a lot of Marshall drama behind the scenes in Miami last year that wasn't reported or widely reported. More than him just punching Vonte and throwing Matt Moore under the bus on NBC after the pro bowl. Other drama he had with other players.

This trade was made for multiple reasons, not just 1

[Doc-phin]

Darlington, Lombardi, and La Canfora are all reporting (mostly on NFL Network) that there was a lot of Marshall drama behind the scenes in Miami last year that wasn't reported or widely reported. More than him just punching Vonte and throwing Matt Moore under the bus on NBC after the pro bowl. Other drama he had with other players.

This trade was made for multiple reasons, not just 1

I call BS.  1st of all, where were the major reports earlier.  Awefully convenient now.  Marshall only ripped Henne after their 1st year together when he said Thigpen "got it".  He praised Henne all off season and beyond.  The probowl was not quite "throw under the bus material".  He just said that he was happy to have great QBs throwing him the ball.  A meeting with an injured Manning is no better than that.

I watched what Darlington, Lombardi and LaCanfora said and nothing was definitive about their comments.  They were speculating. 

Lastly, everyone knows Vontae has a big mouth. 

[MikeO]

Lastly, everyone know Vontae has a big mouth. 

Doesn't mean you can punch teammates and get away with it. Marshall is a lockerroom cancer. Was in Denver. Was in Miami.

[MaineDolFan]

Fine.  So who can you replace him with for 2 third round picks?

Why do you keep harshing on "for 2 third round picks" like Miami traded Marshall for a conditional 7th rounder and a practice squad punter?  Two 3rd round picks are very valuable.

I would like to point out that Miami traded two second round picks to get Marshall.  When they did that he was coming off three consecutive 100+ catch seasons at 1,325 yards (7 TDs), 1,265 yards (6 TDs) and 1,120 yards (10 TDs).  Two years in Miami he's never caught more than 90 passes.  Has a combined 9 TD catches. He's gone over 1,000 yards in both years.

GOOD numbers.  NOT great.  And Miami is getting TWO 3rd round picks for him.  You would think they got Trent Green for him the way you continue to rail against the "for 2 third round picks."  Not getting that.  Miami got a good haul for him AND unloaded a huge contract.  Win/win.

[tubba marxxx]

I'm already completely sick of this discussion.



Wake me up in September when Matt Moore is looking left to Brian Hartline and right to Davone Bess....because THAT'S the Miami front office we all know and love.


I guess when Ross wanted the "next Don Shula"..he was referring the mid 90's