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[Landshark]

I think you have to roll the dice with Flynn.....to keep from chugging along with the Matt Moores and

I think they should roll the dice with Flynn, and draft a quarterback like Cousins with the third rounder they got from the Bears

[MikeO]

I think they should roll the dice with Flynn, and draft a quarterback like Cousins with the third rounder they got from the Bears

I agree, that is what I would do. Hell, Arizona traded for and signed Kolb to a mega deal and are able to get out of his deal just 1 year in with not too much cap damage. Miami should give Flynn a similar deal, hell it will probably be less than Kolb's, and  if he bombs out, cut bait and move on.  Other teams do it! It's not that difficult

[Landshark]

More bad news.  The Dolphins were unable to reach an agreement with Eric Winston and he has moved on to other teams.

[MikeO]

More bad news.  The Dolphins were unable to reach an agreement with Eric Winston and he has moved on to other teams.

Not totally true. They didn't sign him today but he said the meeting went well. He just wants to visit other teams. But Miami is in it still.

[Thundergod]

Looking over Tannehill's stats last year the scary thing is take away the Baylor game  (and Baylor had a god awful defense) vs most good teams he played last year he threw more INT's than TD's. And Tannehill padded his stats vs the bad teams. Vs Oklahoma St (2 TD's and 3 INT's) vs Texas (2 TD's and 3 INT's) vs Oklahoma (2 TD's and 3 INT's) vs Arkansas (0 TD's and 1 INT). The ONLY good game vs a GOOD team he played was vs K-State and his team LOST that game!

And that was in the BIG 12 which is the new version of the WAC where nobody plays defense anymore. For those who don't follow college football the Big 12 is like the Arena league, points points and more points!

After seeing this, just stick with Moore. For the love of God... Another craptacular year.

[Spider-Dan]

I agree, that is what I would do. Hell, Arizona traded for and signed Kolb to a mega deal and are able to get out of his deal just 1 year in with not too much cap damage. Miami should give Flynn a similar deal, hell it will probably be less than Kolb's, and  if he bombs out, cut bait and move on.  Other teams do it! It's not that difficult

Agreed.  The only real risk with Flynn is money.  Pay the man, put him on the team with his coach, and we'll see if he is for real or not.

The only other potential downside is that, like Sparano/Henne (and unlike Kolb), the coach and the QB will be married.  You almost certainly won't be able to get rid of one without getting rid of the other, which means that we'll be stuck with them both for at least 2 years.

[masterfins]

Matt Schaub played 3 and he turned out OK. Farve played little in Atlanta and he turned out OK. Hasselbeck the same before going to Seattle. Kurt Warner was bagging groceries!  Flynn is sitting behind a legend, he shouldn't be punished or be thought of as no good because of that. Not his fault a super bowl champ and future HOF player is ahead of him on the depth chart!

I'm not holding anything against him, he deserves a shot just like a lot of guys do.  All I'm saying is that people have elevated him way above what his actual performance has been.  Citing other players' accomplishments doesn't change my mind, they aren't Flynn, and Flynn's not them.  I just don't think the Dolphins should give away the farm for Flynn, nor do I think everyone should get so exciting over him.

[Landshark]

I'm not holding anything against him, he deserves a shot just like a lot of guys do.  All I'm saying is that people have elevated him way above what his actual performance has been.  Citing other players' accomplishments doesn't change my mind, they aren't Flynn, and Flynn's not them.  I just don't think the Dolphins should give away the farm for Flynn, nor do I think everyone should get so exciting over him.

By not getting Flynn or Manning, the Dolphins are left with Moore.  Moore doesn't make them any better.  He makes them the same as last year.  Which is not good enough.

[EKnight]

Just playing Devil's advocate, but didn't Moore finish the season 6-3 as a starter? If he does that for a full season, it's 10 or 11 wins. Does anyone REALLY think with what the rest of the team has on the field Miami wins 12 games with Manning or Flynn? If not, then Moore isn't as bad as you think. -EK

[Dave Gray]

^ I agree.

While I don't expect that from Moore again, I think the guy played well enough to warrant reconsideration next year and not having to feel bad about it.  Of course, when you're dealing with a superstar like Manning, you have to take a shot at him.  But, at the end of the year, I don't think that QB play was our biggest downfall.

I'm not saying that I'm all about Matt Moore, but it's not doom and gloom if our 6-3 starter has to return.

[Phishfan]

Come on, we all know the sun will never rise again if Moore is the opening day starter.

[MikeO]

I'm not holding anything against him, he deserves a shot just like a lot of guys do.  All I'm saying is that people have elevated him way above what his actual performance has been.  Citing other players' accomplishments doesn't change my mind, they aren't Flynn, and Flynn's not them.  I just don't think the Dolphins should give away the farm for Flynn, nor do I think everyone should get so exciting over him.

I don't think anyone has elevated him because he hasn't signed yet and when he does he is going to get back-up money (according to Lombardi, LaCanfora, Mort..etc) or lower-level starter money. Nobody has offered Flynn a decent contract. Flynn got a rude awakening the past 48 hours!

Unless some team panics (ie Miami after they lose Manning) I think Flynn is getting a bad contract

[masterfins]

I don't think anyone has elevated him because he hasn't signed yet and when he does he is going to get back-up money (according to Lombardi, LaCanfora, Mort..etc) or lower-level starter money. Nobody has offered Flynn a decent contract. Flynn got a rude awakening the past 48 hours!

Unless some team panics (ie Miami after they lose Manning) I think Flynn is getting a bad contract

MikeO, when I talk about him being "elevated" I'm referring to some members on here, actually in this thread as well as others, thinking that if Miami doesn't get him the seasons already over.  To me, that's giving him some kind of golden quality that he hasn't earned yet.  I'd be fine if Miami signs him for "back-up" type money, with incentives built into the contract if he actually performs.  To me it's only a "bad contract" in that he isn't being needlessly overpaid for his services, like teams often do.

[masterfins]

^ I agree.

While I don't expect that from Moore again, I think the guy played well enough to warrant reconsideration next year and not having to feel bad about it.  Of course, when you're dealing with a superstar like Manning, you have to take a shot at him.  But, at the end of the year, I don't think that QB play was our biggest downfall.

I'm not saying that I'm all about Matt Moore, but it's not doom and gloom if our 6-3 starter has to return.

I agree also, I really don't have a problem giving Moore a shot if other options don't pan out, or at least let him compete for the job in training camp.  I know its not saying much, but he's farther ahead than Henne was.  The only bad thing at this point is no Marshall to throw to, granted the guy dropped TD balls, but he was playing well the second half.

[Diehard_Dolfan]

I know this is going to sound off the wall but, it's all I've got to go with at this point!

I'm putting a "LOT" of faith in Philbin... I'm looking at things this way.  I maybe wrong but, again I need something to believe in with my Dolphins.  I look back on Green Bay and their offense over the yrs with Philbin as OC.  He didn't call plays but, it was his offense and game plan (what I've heard, I'm not sure if it's true or not) that Green Bay ran.  Until the last couple of yrs Green Bay receiving corps didn't strike fear into anyone!  Other than Rogers you heard of Donald Driver untill Jennings started stepping up.  They haven't had any elite or big threat in the backfield either!

I know Philbin has been watching film of what he inherited with the Dolphins since he got here.  Maybe he feels the pieces here aren't as bad as most think?   I look at it like this... Hartline doesn't strike fear in teams but, he did make plays last yr when Moore got the ball to him!  As the yr went on Moore made more and more big throws and touch passes.

 He showed improvement that's for sure!

I'm thinking with Gates speed on one side Hartline on the other and Bess in the slot... this receiving corps doesn't really look that bad!  Add Clay as a TE to the mix he's proven when healthy he's difficult for defenses to cover... Now you have room for Bush because of the mismatches/problems Bess & Clay present along with gates spped.  Gates is going to stretch the field!  His speed can cause problems if, he's used as such!   That leaves a lot of room for Bush to abuse coverage underneath... 

I'm starting to think Miami may just take another Tackle ( the guy from Iowa) like some mock drafts are saying...  I think they may be thinking totally different from what we're expecting!

Yeah, Ross wants people in the seats now!

But, If you put a team on the field that makes plays... it doesn't matter what the names are people will come!!  Green Bay has an elite QB in Rogers im not confusing Moore with Rogers but, we may have more in place than we think!