Lets talk Tannehill

[Doc-phin]

Thank God for Youtube!  I realize that they can slice youtube videos all kinds of ways, but it still helped me get a better view of Tannehill.

I can see why they would want him.  I can see why he is #3 behind Luck and Griffin.  He has awesome potential and it wouldn't take long to get him NFL ready. 

Positives I saw...

Good enough arm strength.
Excellent evasiveness, running and bootleg ability.  Can buy time.
Good accuracy.
Good footwork.
Holds to ball high with a fairly quick release.
Awesome shovel passes (sounds weird I know but he is really good at it).
Very versitile but very poised in the pocket (running is mostly last resort unless designed).
Able to make adjustments at the line.
Experience in a wide variety of formations.

Negatives...

Certain games he didn't get rid of the ball fast enough.
A little thin to be running the ball in the NFL.
Turned the ball over a bit more than you would like (by forcing it).
Doesn't go through receiver progressions much.
Tends to key in on one guy.
(on a positive, a lot of turnovers were definately receiver induced)

I don't think it is a stretch taking him at #8.  I see him as a guy that could start year one but there would be some growing pains with turnovers.  IMO, it would be better to sit him for a year or most of the year and allow him to develop his pre and post snap reads as well as his ability to look off a defender.

I really think that Griffin and Luck have gotten so much praise that this guy looks like a guy you settle for.  In comparison to Luck, I agree we would be settling but not so much with Griffin.  I would be happy to have him be a QB would could grow with over the next few years. 

[masterfins]

I think the signing of Garrard clearly signifies Miami is going to wait another year to draft a QB.  Additionally, I think the trading of Marshall indicates the Mgmnt wouldn't mind a four or five win season in order to have a high draft pick.  Next year there are quite a few potential QB's that will be in the draft.  This year's draft will be for an offensive tackle, a defensive back, and a decent WR.

[fyo]

There's a lot of talk about Tannehill not being 1st round talent... but isn't he exactly the type of player it would be worth taking a flyer on? I'm asking seriously here. If you have a quarterback coming out with a whole bunch of starts, you KNOW what you're getting. On the other hand, with a guy like Tannehill, he has so few starts, you just don't KNOW.

Put another way, I'd rather reach for someone who MIGHT be really good.

On the other hand, he could be Quincy Carter

[MikeO]

I don't see Miami taking him.

I have watched more of him lately and heard what the experts think and I think he is the next Phillip Rivers in a few years with some seasoning, but I don't see Miami taking him.

DE or WR will probably be the pick. Two huge voids that need to be filled. QB is too but Ireland clearly puts no emphasis on the QB position and I doubt that will change in a month.

[Pappy13]

I don't see Miami taking him.

I have watched more of him lately and heard what the experts think and I think he is the next Phillip Rivers in a few years with some seasoning, but I don't see Miami taking him.

DE or WR will probably be the pick. Two huge voids that need to be filled. QB is too but Ireland clearly puts no emphasis on the QB position and I doubt that will change in a month.

You might be right about them going a different route than QB in the first round, but I'm now convinced that Miami will add a QB in the draft after what Ross has said lately, it might just be with a later pick like maybe the extra 3rd they got. They are not going to fix the QB problem this year, Moore is the guy, but I still think they would like to pick a QB and hope he turns into something much better than they bargained for. If not, then yeah there's always next year.

[MikeO]

You might be right about them going a different route than QB in the first round, but I'm now convinced that Miami will add a QB in the draft after what Ross has said lately, it might just be with a later pick like maybe the extra 3rd they got. They are not going to fix the QB problem this year, Moore is the guy, but I still think they would like to pick a QB and hope he turns into something much better than they bargained for. If not, then yeah there's always next year.

I agree. But if the plan is to get a QB somewhere in the first 3 rounds, then me, I would take Tannehill at 8. Because why settle for a lesser QB later, might as well get the 3rd best QB in the draft. The position is too damn important to just settle on a guy.

Taking a QB in rounds 2 and 3 hasn't worked for Miami (Beck, Henne, White...etc) and twice under Ireland's watch!  I mean to go that route again is foolish. It's a position you have to invest in fully.

-Do I expect Ireland to take Tannehill at 8, as of today no. But Tannehill's Pro Day is Thursday and things might change if he shines
-If I were in charge would I take Tannehill at 8, yeah probably when push comes to shove.

It's not a crime to take a QB and let him sit. Rivers sat behind Brees in SD, Eli sat for a while behind Warner and it wouldn't kill Miami to have Tannehill sit behind Moore for this year. They have their QB, "IF" the season stinks they are picking Top the draft next and can trade out for a team that wants Barkley or Jones and get a boatload of picks in return. And Miami has their QB on the roster already with a year under his belt of being on a NFL roster. That's not a terrible situation!

[CF DolFan]

Remember that time we drafted Beck and were going to let him sit a year? That worked out pretty well! 

I'm just messing around. If we do draft I seriously hope they can just be a clipboard holder for a while without the pressure of having to perform miracles.  There is no way that experience didn't help to destroy whatever confidence Beck would have had.

[Doc-phin]

I'm just messing around. If we do draft I seriously hope they can just be a clipboard holder for a while without the pressure of having to perform miracles. 

The nice thing about Tannehill is he comes with a built in excuse for sitting him.  He hasn't played QB all that long.  It is pretty amazing what he was able to do against some pretty tough opponents when he started the year expecting to be a wide receiver.  Lots of potential in this guy.

Throw on top of that the fact that Sherman is our OC and you have a decent (not perfect) receipe for success in year two or three (maybe 4 if there is a classic sophmore slump). 

[MikeO]

The nice thing about Tannehill is he comes with a built in excuse for sitting him.  He hasn't played QB all that long.  It is pretty amazing what he was able to do against some pretty tough opponents when he started the year expecting to be a wide receiver.  Lots of potential in this guy.

Throw on top of that the fact that Sherman is our OC and you have a decent (not perfect) receipe for success in year two or three (maybe 4 if there is a classic sophmore slump). 

Well, Tannehill did play QB in High School and was a highly rated recruit who was wanted by many colleges as a QB. It isn't like he just picked up the position. He was just behind Stephen Mcgee on the depth chart early on and wanted to play so he learned WR. Then when some QB's ahead of him in class left, Tannehill went back to QB. Tannehill has more college starts and playing time at QB than Mark Sanchez did and Sanchez went 5th overall.

[shamphin]

There's a lot of talk about Tannehill not being 1st round talent... but isn't he exactly the type of player it would be worth taking a flyer on? I'm asking seriously here. If you have a quarterback coming out with a whole bunch of starts, you KNOW what you're getting. On the other hand, with a guy like Tannehill, he has so few starts, you just don't KNOW.

Put another way, I'd rather reach for someone who MIGHT be really good.

On the other hand, he could be Quincy Carter

[Spider-Dan]

I am definitely not on the Tannehill bandwagon.  Seems to me that, in the total absence of any football games being played, Tannehill has somehow jumped from a second-round talent to an early first-rounder.

To be honest, I think it's the total lack of suspense with the #1 and #2 picks.  Luck was obviously going #1, so there was no top-end QB controversy to argue over.  And since the talking heads HAVE TO discuss QBs (over and over and over), it then became all RG3, all the time.  But then WSH traded for the #2 pick, which removes all the suspense there... so now everyone has to discuss Tannehill.  And if someone (say, CLE) decided to trade up with MIN for Tannehill, you'd then hear everyone talking about Weeden and Cousins.

Think about this:  when was the last time you heard the talking heads pontificating about Andrew Luck (outside of a Peyton Manning story)?  No one seems to care about him at all; it's almost like he's not even being drafted.  And the last time I heard anyone talking about RG3 was shortly after the Redskin trade... now all I am hearing about is Tannehill.

I'm not going to obsess over a mediocre QB just because he's the best one remaining.

[EKnight]

I don't ever remember seeing he was a second round talent. Everything I read said mid first-founder, so he hasn't moved up that much. -EK

[MikeO]

I am definitely not on the Tannehill bandwagon.  Seems to me that, in the total absence of any football games being played, Tannehill has somehow jumped from a second-round talent to an early first-rounder.

I wasn't on the bandwagon either Spider, but I have changed in recent weeks. Tannehill's jump from a 2nd round talent to a mid to early 1st round pick has to do with the success Ponder and Locker had last year in limited time. Those teams reached last year on 2nd round talent QB's and bit the bullet, took them early in Round 1 and it sort of panned out for them. Teams have realized if there is one position where you can do an extreme reach on its QB. The position is too important now. 

That has a lot to do with Tannehill's jump to being a Round 1 guy now. The other thing is his measurable's are off the chart. Top flight overall athlete. Big-time arm. Some scouts say he has the best pocket presence out of RGIII and Luck. He has a big arm where he can make the difficult throws outside the numbers.  And his 2 major flaws are totally coach-able and can be fixed easily in time. He stares down WR's and he waits for WR's to get open before throwing it. Those are 2 things most QB's have trouble with coming out of college and can be fixed in time. The other thing that helps Tannehll is he is just a really good guy according to all reports. Open to being coached, willing to do anything to help the team (ie move to WR for a some time), and a good leader. And last year at Texas AM his WR's dropped over 60 catch-able balls. Easy ones. He never threw them under the bus.

Charlie Casserly says he likes Tannehill much more than Flaco when Flaco came out. Greg Cossell of NFL Films who breaks down the QB's for the draft said the gap between Luck/RGIII and Tannehill isn't as big as you would think. And Tannehill does a few things better than those 2.

I wasn't sold on the kid one bit, but in the last week or two I have watched a bunch of plays by him on Youtube and read up on him and what the experts think. I wouldn't be pissed if Miami took him #8. Now its a project, he ain't gonna play this year. And if he starts in 2013 he might struggle some. In some ways you are expecting the next two seasons to be mediocre at best. 8-8 type seasons.But the payoff long-term might be really really big!

To me he is a year or two away from being the next Philip Rivers. His game reminds me of him alot. Problem is, the GM's and coaches drafting a guy might not be around in 2 years to see the payoff. That's why some teams will avoid team.

[Thundergod]

I am definitely not on the Tannehill bandwagon.  Seems to me that, in the total absence of any football games being played, Tannehill has somehow jumped from a second-round talent to an early first-rounder.

To be honest, I think it's the total lack of suspense with the #1 and #2 picks.  Luck was obviously going #1, so there was no top-end QB controversy to argue over.  And since the talking heads HAVE TO discuss QBs (over and over and over), it then became all RG3, all the time.  But then WSH traded for the #2 pick, which removes all the suspense there... so now everyone has to discuss Tannehill.  And if someone (say, CLE) decided to trade up with MIN for Tannehill, you'd then hear everyone talking about Weeden and Cousins.

Think about this:  when was the last time you heard the talking heads pontificating about Andrew Luck (outside of a Peyton Manning story)?  No one seems to care about him at all; it's almost like he's not even being drafted.  And the last time I heard anyone talking about RG3 was shortly after the Redskin trade... now all I am hearing about is Tannehill.

I'm not going to obsess over a mediocre QB just because he's the best one remaining.

+1

No "project" QB's plz

[Phishfan]

Tannehill has more college starts and playing time at QB than Mark Sanchez did and Sanchez went 5th overall.

There is a real ringing endorsement. Looks guys, I would bet money that in three years none of you will look back and say, we sure should have taken Tannehill. The guy is an NFL turnover machine waiting to happen.