Lets talk Tannehill

[Fins4ever]

I read this entire thread and it looks like the posters are pretty much split on Tannehill. All of you made good points. Here is how I see it.

Tannehill has been climbing the charts due to supply and demand. It has nothing to do with his skills. Like someone said, if Barkley & Jones would have come out, we would hear nothing of Tannehill.

Tannehill is inexperienced. No one knows what his ceiling is.

RT has prototype size and very athletic.

Ryan is smart, something that cannot be underestimated.

Bottom line is the Fins have been searching for Dan's replacement and have not drafted a QB in rd. 1 since 83. Sherman is a good OC and RT's former HC. No one knows him better. If Sherman likes him and can convince JI to take the risk, we will draft him, but NO WAY DO THEY MOVE UP. It just is not in JI's DNA.

[Pappy13]

Tannehill is going to be the lucky recipient of the cash cow known as supply and demand.  A guy with 2nd or 3rd round talent has been elevated to what will probably be a top 6 overall pick simply because so many teams need a QB.  Taking a "desperation" pick or a "panic" pick hardly ever works out.  I know that the Fins are in a really bad way at the QB position, but the market price for Tannehill far exceeds his abilities.  Not saying he can't be a decent QB, but he is not a top 6 pick and it would even be a bit of a stretch to take him in the first round at all.

On the flip side it worked out great for Cincy last year in my opinion who "reached" for Andy Dalton at the top of round 2 and it payed off big time for them. Tannehill is a far better prospect than Dalton was considered last year, so why is it so hard to envision Miami taking Tannehill in the first round? Tannehill is also rated higher than Jake Locker was last year by Scout's inc who ended up being taken 8th last year. Locker did pretty well in his couple of appearances last year for Tennessee. I think some of you are exaggerating just how much of a "reach" Tannehill is. He's raw, but he has all the tools you want in a franchise QB, he'll probably just need time to develop a few of the finer points to be a QB in the NFL, like looking off DB's, throwing the ball before the receiver makes his cut, throwing the ball low over the middle so either your WR gets it or no one does, etc. He doesn't have 2nd round physical tools, he has 1st round physical ability, the question is his limited playing experience, but that can be fixed.

[bsfins]

(IMO) The argument that worries me a bit is Sherman knows him better than anyone.(It seems to get brought up when the Dolphins, and Tannehill are mentioned). A lot of the expert draftniks,all say he's not a step in from day 1,for your football team type guy...

I don't see Sherman being around as our offensive coordinator for more than say 2-3 years? If he does well for us,I think he could go for a head coaching jobs in college,or the NFL...If he fails he'll get fired....I want Philbin to be the guy that loves Tannehill,not as much,or necessarily Sherman...

Sorry for the random thought there....

(edited to fix typo,random thought,not random that there...my redneck coming through)

[Pappy13]

I'd rather have Blackmon in a heartbeat than any QB we've chased or looked at in the offseason, including Manning and Flynn.

The problem is that's not the choice, Blackmon or Tannehill. No way that Blackmon falls to #8. No way. Tannehill might. If Blackmon was there at #8, I wouldn't have a problem taking Blackmon, but it's NOT going to happen.

[Pappy13]

I don't see Sherman being around as our offensive coordinator for more than say 2-3 years? If he does well for us,I think he could go for a head coaching jobs in college,or the NFL...If he fails he'll get fired....I want Philbin to be the guy that loves Tannehill,not as much,or necessarily Sherman...

That's why Philbin and not Sherman was at Tannehill's Pro Day, to see Tannehill for himself. Sherman has already made up his mind on the kid I would assume. But you have to remember that Sherman and Philbin are practically joined at the hip when it comes to offensive philosophy. I'm pretty sure that if Sherman broke down tape on Tannehill, he would see mostly the same things that Philbin would see. Sherman would have a little "insider" knowledge, like what he's like in the huddle, what he's like in the locker room etc, but Philbin is probably gonna take Sherman's word for most of that anyway. I think it's VERY unlikely that Philbin and Sherman would be "split" on how they think of Tannehill. One might be "all-in" and the other might be a bit skeptical, but I doubt one would be "all-in" and the other be "all-out". Sherman and Philbin are too much alike for that to happen.

[Dolphster]

Solid points there.  Sometimes a "reach" does work out.  Just like sometimes a highly touted "sure thing" doesn't work out.  I guess that is part of the fun of fans like us playing the "conjecture" game.  I agree that the raw ability is there.  With such a limited body of work, it is just really tough to have a very good bead on the guy.  I wouldn't have a problem with taking a guy like him in the 2nd round.  I just fear that any team that takes him in the top 10 picks is going to be overpaying.  Unless he turns out to be the next Dan Marino, then the Fins will have underpaid for him.      Like I said, we are all just making educated guesses on anyone until they get on the field and show what they have against an NFL defense. 

On the flip side it worked out great for Cincy last year in my opinion who "reached" for Andy Dalton at the top of round 2 and it payed off big time for them. Tannehill is a far better prospect than Dalton was considered last year, so why is it so hard to envision Miami taking Tannehill in the first round? Tannehill is also rated higher than Jake Locker was last year by Scout's inc who ended up being taken 8th last year. Locker did pretty well in his couple of appearances last year for Tennessee. I think some of you are exaggerating just how much of a "reach" Tannehill is. He's raw, but he has all the tools you want in a franchise QB, he'll probably just need time to develop a few of the finer points to be a QB in the NFL, like looking off DB's, throwing the ball before the receiver makes his cut, throwing the ball low over the middle so either your WR gets it or no one does, etc. He doesn't have 2nd round physical tools, he has 1st round physical ability, the question is his limited playing experience, but that can be fixed.

[Dolphster]

I'm not convinced that Miami is "in a really bad way" at QB. The guy under center right now finished 6-3 last year and is entering a system that doesn't need Brady's arm to win. I'd rather have Blackmon in a heartbeat than any QB we've chased or looked at in the offseason, including Manning and Flynn. Off field or personal issues aside, Brandon Marshall's 1200+ yards and 75 receptions- plus the double coverage he demanded- is more important to replace than a serviceable Matt Moore in my opinion. -EK

True enough.  I probably overstated the QB situation by labeling them as "in a really bad way" at QB.  Unfortunately, I think that the team has enough other holes on offense, that they are more than a QB away from "getting there".

[MikeO]

On the flip side it worked out great for Cincy last year in my opinion who "reached" for Andy Dalton at the top of round 2 and it payed off big time for them. Tannehill is a far better prospect than Dalton was considered last year, so why is it so hard to envision Miami taking Tannehill in the first round? Tannehill is also rated higher than Jake Locker was last year by Scout's inc who ended up being taken 8th last year. Locker did pretty well in his couple of appearances last year for Tennessee. I think some of you are exaggerating just how much of a "reach" Tannehill is. He's raw, but he has all the tools you want in a franchise QB, he'll probably just need time to develop a few of the finer points to be a QB in the NFL, like looking off DB's, throwing the ball before the receiver makes his cut, throwing the ball low over the middle so either your WR gets it or no one does, etc. He doesn't have 2nd round physical tools, he has 1st round physical ability, the question is his limited playing experience, but that can be fixed.

Philbin worked with both Rodgers and Flynn, both guys who didn't play right away and sat on the bench. Rodgers is now the best in the game and Flynn is getting his big break. Eli didn't start from Day 1. Locker last year looked good at the end of the season, he didn't start from Day 1. Lots of QB's don't play from Day 1. That isn't a huge deal. Some guys need a little more time.

Miami can let Tannehill never walk on the field this year and it won't be an issue. What's the rush now? We have waited since Marino retired, whats 1 more year at this point!! Let Moore and Garrard get beat up and lose (which is what they do, Moore more so than Gararrd), then a year from now Miami can start adding more pieces to build around Tannehill with a year under his belt will be ready to play.David Garrard is old and injured, Matt Moore stinks and isn't leading us to the promise land...go all-in on the guy (IF THEY BELIEVE IN HIM) and move on from there.

If they DON'T believe in him, then don't take a QB at all for the sake of taking a QB, and build up the rest of the team and start over next year with the QB position.With Moore and Garrard gone as free agents they can just blow up the position and start over.

Either way, go all in for Tannehill or just ignore the position. Dont' reach on a guy in Rd 2 or 3 like Osweiler or whoever who will most likely suck and you just wasted a pick that could have gotten us someone to help us elsewhere. And the only reason you are taking him is because well we gotta take a QB for the sake of taking a QB

[bsfins]

I started to mention this in "Who do you want @ 8,if you don't want Tannehill thread",I think it might be more appropriate here though....

Any chance Tannehill (not talent wise!,just the way the draft rolls,shakes out) is a Brady Quinn (maybe even Arron Rodgers) type draft,everyone says he wont get past these teams...He flies up the draft boards (according to the media),yet in reality the Teams drafting him saw him differently.He actually wasn't moving up draft boards...

Brady Quinn there was a chance Cleveland could take them with in the top 10,then Washington,Arizona,or Tampa Bay...No way he get's by Miami @9...He got drafted @22
I remember Rodgers,they kind of said he'd fall if he didn't get picked in the top couple...

Save me the woulda,coulda,shoulda.....It's just a random thought

[Phishfan]

^^^ It has crossed my mind as well B.

[Pappy13]

^^^ It has crossed my mind as well B.

That's my fear. That he's there at #8 and Miami passes on him and he falls to the Bills at 10 and they take him. Now if he doesn't pan out, won't be an issue, but if he kicks our butts every year, I'm gonna be flipping pissed.

All of you need to think back a few years when Miami went the safe route and chose Jake Long instead of taking a chance on a QB that wasn't a sure thing but was pretty highly rated. We have been harping on whether or not we made the right choice ever since. Can we really afford to do that again?

[MikeO]

I started to mention this in "Who do you want @ 8,if you don't want Tannehill thread",I think it might be more appropriate here though....

Any chance Tannehill (not talent wise!,just the way the draft rolls,shakes out) is a Brady Quinn (maybe even Arron Rodgers) type draft,everyone says he wont get past these teams...He flies up the draft boards (according to the media),yet in reality the Teams drafting him saw him differently.He actually wasn't moving up draft boards...

Brady Quinn there was a chance Cleveland could take them with in the top 10,then Washington,Arizona,or Tampa Bay...No way he get's by Miami @9...He got drafted @22
I remember Rodgers,they kind of said he'd fall if he didn't get picked in the top couple...

Save me the woulda,coulda,shoulda.....It's just a random thought

Don't think so. The league has become totally a QB's league. Even more so since Quinn's draft. You saw last year teams fighting over guys like Locker and Ponder near the Top 10-15. Between Cleveland, Miami, Philly, KC, Seattle, and probably a sleeper team or two there is no shot Tannehill falls to the bottom of Rd 1.

It's so much a QB's league there is talk of Weeden and Osweiler (who is terrible) going late in Rd 1. QB's are the hottest properties nowadays. You can't afford to wait and for a guy to fall.

Perfect world, Miami takes Tannehill at #8. Then trades their 2013 1st round pick to get BACK into Rd 1 late or middle of the round to get a WR or OLB. Best of both worlds. Have your QB to build around who can sit this year. Have a guy who can play and help out this year.

[Diehard_Dolfan]

Perfect world, Miami takes Tannehill at #8. Then trades their 2013 1st round pick to get BACK into Rd 1 late or middle of the round to get a WR or OLB. Best of both worlds. Have your QB to build around who can sit this year. Have a guy who can play and help out this year.

I actually like this idea of trading next yr's 1st to move back into the 1st round this yr and get someone along with a QB.

[Spider-Dan]

Perfect world, Miami takes Tannehill at #8. Then trades their 2013 1st round pick to get BACK into Rd 1 late or middle of the round to get a WR or OLB. Best of both worlds.

Why not just draft a WR or OLB at a higher position next year?

I'd rather draft a guy at 2013 #11 than 2012 #27.  There's no need to win now on a team that was 6-10 and is rebuilding.

[Diehard_Dolfan]

Why not just draft a WR or OLB at a higher position next year?

I'd rather draft a guy at 2013 #11 than 2012 #27.  There's no need to win now on a team that was 6-10 and is rebuilding.

Because we could possibly draft someone this year that fill a hole and get some experience/use out of them this yr... then next yr fill other holes!  We're not going to fill all our needs in this yr's draft.. so get what we can that helps us get closer to having all holes filled.  Now I don't mean just trade away the pick this yr to grab anyone!

If someone they graded high is around then pull the trigger!