Lets talk Tannehill

[MikeO]

Bottom line is until we solve the QB issue, and by solving I mean draft one in Rd 1 and tag him "the guy" and build around him, we aren't winning anything. We will forever be fighting for 3rd place at best. We will continue to be a joke.

Once we take a QB, everything else will fall into place. The elephant in the room is Miami has no QB. Remove the elephant and filling the rest of the holes (WR, OLB, TE...etc)  becomes so much friggin easier! Finding OLB, WR, RT, TE....that's easy! Very easy. Finding a quality QB to draft  and pulling the trigger on it is tough work!

Now maybe that QB fails in time and turns out not to be "the guy".....but that is the blueprint to success in this league for the majority of teams (N.O. being the exception) and that is the blueprint to follow. I would rather possibly lose following that path than doing the same ole crap we have been doing. Settleing for QB's in Rd 2 or trading 2nd round picks for career back-ups!

Who are the teams that have won big or gone far in the playoffs and had lots of regular season success in recent years.....Giants, Pitt, GB, Baltimore, SD, SF, Indy, Atlanta, ...hell throw in the Jets if ya want. What is the 1 trait they have in common? They drafted a QB someplace in Rd 1. Whether the 1st pick or the 22nd and everywhere inbetween the bit the bullet and took a young QB. It makes life so much easier and it lets you build a team so much easier.


We don't need Tannehill to be the next Peyton Manning (would be nice, but unrealistic expectations for anyone). If he is the next Flacco or Ryan I can live with that. It will give the team a punchers chance of being a  contender and competitive!

[Spider-Dan]

Because we could possibly draft someone this year that fill a hole and get some experience/use out of them this yr... then next yr fill other holes!

...except that next year, we will have one less pick (more likely, two less) to fill holes if we trade up.

Again, why trade up to pick a late-first-round talent this year when we can just keep our picks and pick an early/mid-first-round talent next year?  The Dolphins are far from "one player away" at this point.

[MikeO]

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/schein-tannehill-not-top-10-material/123fdtfx?from=gallery_en-us

Adam Schein is on the anti-Tannehill bandwagon. Calls Cleveland and Miami "armature hour" for even considering taking him Top 10.

I don't agree with him but I know many of you do and thought you might like to see this..lol

[Landshark]

...except that next year, we will have one less pick (more likely, two less) to fill holes if we trade up.

Again, why trade up to pick a late-first-round talent this year when we can just keep our picks and pick an early/mid-first-round talent next year?  The Dolphins are far from "one player away" at this point.

I have to agree with this.  It seems the fan base is growing ever impatient with the lack of a franchise quarterback and most fans are ready to jump off the edge if Miami doesn’t select Tannehill or trade up to get him.   The question is should the Dolphins pull the trigger on Tannehill who is by most experts opinions a project that will have little to no impact this year?    My feeling is that Philbin and company are not going to pull the trigger on Tannehill just to satisfy the masses.   Especially when this team has plenty of other holes where a better player could be taken. Tannehill might be the third best quarterback prospect in the draft but he would be a major reach being drafted 8th overall.

Personally, I’d like to see the Dolphins grab one of the talented pass rushing defensive ends at the 8th spot to go opposite Cameron Wake and keep the double teams off him.  My pick would be Melvin Ingram from South Carolina. A high motor guy who doesn't take plays off like Quentin Coples and can wreak havoc in the offensive backfield.   He’d be a perfect bookend to Cameron Wake for years to come.

Back to Tannehill, if the powers that be in the Dolphins front office decide he’s worth the 8th pick, then I hope its for the reason that Mike Sherman believes in him as the heir apparent at quarterback and not just to pacify the fan base.

[MikeO]

I have to agree with this.  It seems the fan base is growing ever impatient with the lack of a franchise quarterback and most fans are ready to jump off the edge if Miami doesn’t select Tannehill or trade up to get him.   The question is should the Dolphins pull the trigger on Tannehill who is by most experts opinions a project that will have little to no impact this year?    My feeling is that Philbin and company are not going to pull the trigger on Tannehill just to satisfy the masses.   Especially when this team has plenty of other holes where a better player could be taken. Tannehill might be the third best quarterback prospect in the draft but he would be a major reach being drafted 8th overall.

Personally, I’d like to see the Dolphins grab one of the talented pass rushing defensive ends at the 8th spot to go opposite Cameron Wake and keep the double teams off him.  My pick would be Melvin Ingram from South Carolina. A high motor guy who doesn't take plays off like Quentin Coples and can wreak havoc in the offensive backfield.   He’d be a perfect bookend to Cameron Wake for years to come.

Back to Tannehill, if the powers that be in the Dolphins front office decide he’s worth the 8th pick, then I hope its for the reason that Mike Sherman believes in him as the heir apparent at quarterback and not just to pacify the fan base.

Two things,

1) Wake probably won't be here after next year. He is going to want Mario Williams money when he is a Free Agent. Even if Miami franchise tags him, Mario just raised this franchise tag price with his $50 mill guaranteed salary. We would be drafting a DE/pass rusher to replace Wake more than play with him most likely long-term.

2) Tannehill isn't a reach at 8. That is his range where everyone seems him going. In that Top 7-12 range. You can't keep putting off the QB position. Miami might be in a WORSE position next year. Moore and Gararrd will be Free Agents. And the way Ireland drives people away they could leave and never look back. Moore is a California kid who might want to play closer to home out west if he has options. Who knows! What if Miami is picking lower than 8 next year and is unable to trade up to get someone. What if a bunch of teams ahead of Miami next year need QB's and aren't trading down and Miami can't trade up into the mix. And the FA pool next year at QB isn't great and lord knows Miami can't land free agents anyway. At some point you have to take a QB early! Not in round 2 or 3 and settle on a guy, but you have to take a guy. I'm not saying Tannehill is the 2nd coming of anything, but if he is there at 8 and they pass on him it becomes silly at some point.

And to say pass on QB to fill other holes. Every team has holes, no team is perfect. But without a QB you can plug every other hole you want, you will still suck! Yes, Tannehill is a project who won't play 1 min this year probably. And I am fine with that too! We have waited this long, what's 1 more year!

[Diehard_Dolfan]

Most teams don't draft a rookie qb to come in and start right away (1st yr) anyway!  Most start because they are usually forced into action by injuries or the starter is not performing..

[Phishfan]

Two things,

2) Tannehill isn't a reach at 8. That is his range where everyone seems him going. In that Top 7-12 range.

I think he is a reach and not everyone sees him going in that position. Some of the talking heads are saying it so some people believe it is gospel. Remember when everyone was saying how early Quinn would be going? I expect on draft day to see Tannehill being that last guy sitting in the green room just waiting to hear his name.

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Also we're talking semantics here. If a Lays potato chip that looks like Hitler sells on ebay for $100 then it is worth $100 (market forces) except of course for the fact that it isn't.

[EKnight]

I have to agree that pass rush is a better way to go. #8 for a QB that Spider pointed out to me was not even being talked about until the second round until a few months ago is nuts. The argument that Wake may leave at the end of the year for money only strengthens the argument that a good DE should be taken. In two years I'd rather have Wake's replacement and a serviceable QB (ie, Moore) than neither because we banked on Tannehill, potentially let Moore walk and passed altogether on DE. Tannehill at 8, after reading more about him, seems like taking the last ugly girl at the bar home, just to have someone there. -EK

[Sunstroke]

Interesting article by a guy named Matt Waldman (from FootballGuys.com) where he breaks down some plays from the A&M vs Oklahoma game where Tannehill didn't have great stats, and his team was totally outmatched, but he saw some good things when he broke Tannehill's performance technique, vision, etc...

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/03/12/why-ryan-tannehill-is-a-first-round-prospect/

[suck for luck]

One man's opinion. I was at that game. I stopped reading when he compared a bad, high pass to Joe Montana. LOL

[Sunstroke]

^^^ You need to set your media hyperbole filter to "active," otherwise you can discount 99% of all analysis out there.

[Diehard_Dolfan]

Picking a franchise QB is no easy task... that's obvious!    But, at the same time you have to pull the trigger sometime!  Looking back now... a lot of teams look silly letting Tom Brady slip to NE!  If anyone had picked him in the 1st,2nd or 3rd people would be saying it was a huge reach! 

I doubt people would say that about Brady now seeing how he turned out!   The Patriots look like geniuses for taking a chance on Brady...  I'm not saying Tannehill is a Brady in waiting but, you just never know!  If we take him then Sherman has seen enough and feels he can develop him..if we don't take him?  Then he's seen enough to feel Tannehill is not that guy!

Simple as that!

[MikeO]

Picking a franchise QB is no easy task... that's obvious!    But, at the same time you have to pull the trigger sometime!  Looking back now... a lot of teams look silly letting Tom Brady slip to NE!  If anyone had picked him in the 1st,2nd or 3rd people would be saying it was a huge reach! 

I doubt people would say that about Brady now seeing how he turned out!   The Patriots look like geniuses for taking a chance on Brady...  I'm not saying Tannehill is a Brady in waiting but, you just never know!  If we take him then Sherman has seen enough and feels he can develop him..if we don't take him?  Then he's seen enough to feel Tannehill is not that guy!

Simple as that!

I agree! When the best QB on your roster is GOD AWFUL Matt Moore, QB is an issue. It's the ONLY issue!  Matt Moore sucks. He isn't a care-taker QB, he isn't a game-manager,  he isn't serviceable, he is downright bad. Miami can trot him out there for 1 more year because they have no choice, but you can't have him be "the future" and you can't give him a multi-year deal after this year (which is what he will want as a FA) and ignore the QB position and think Miami can "get by" with Matt firggin Moore!

There is "risk" involved with every pick at every position, why people are so afraid to take a QB is beyond me. There is the same amount of "risk" taking Coples, Ingram, or Floyd. They might suck too. Floyd has a bunch of off the field issues. Coples is lazy. And Ingram only really had 1 good year in college he was a career back-up in college till his final year. Career back-up on a lesser level. Those aren't knocks those are facts and pointing out there is risk with everyone drafted. RGIII wasn't even thought of as an NFL QB last year this time, he was a nice college player with no big NFL prospects. Hell even as late as middle of last season nobody thought RGIII would be a high pick, some "experts" even said he was a fluke! Some guys are late bloomers at the QB position. You can't get caught up in what people "thought" of Tannehill entering into the year or a few months back. IT changes fast at that position at that age.

[Spider-Dan]

Picking a franchise QB is no easy task... that's obvious!    But, at the same time you have to pull the trigger sometime!  Looking back now... a lot of teams look silly letting Tom Brady slip to NE!  If anyone had picked him in the 1st,2nd or 3rd people would be saying it was a huge reach!

I will be happy to take Tannehill in the sixth round (the same "risk" NE took on Brady).

First round... not so much.