I don't want Tannehill

[hordman]

One thing to keep in mind, IF Miami passes on him. And if Moore and Garrard are well Moore and Gararrd and below average at best. Then NEXT offseason, if Miami doesn't land a QB in free agency (which its a weak class next year).....don't be crying when Miami parts with 3 first round picks and a couple 2nd rounders to move up to take a QB.

And the QB they move up for may not be as good as Tannehill.

Philbin's and Ireland's job is to think "BIG PICTURE". This is a game of chess, where they must think 3 or 4 moves ahead and what "might" happen.

That "WHAT IF" senerio of Miami goes 7-9 or 8-8. Moore walks as a FA. Gararrd retires or stinks. Miami doesn't sign a FA QB, they are picking 13th or 14th in the draft next year, the top QB's are spoken for by teams picking at the top of the draft who aren't trading down, and Miami is trading UP to get the 3rd best QB in NEXT years draft who might be worse than Tannehill. You want to give up all those picks for THAT GUY? Or just use this years #8 pick for Tannehill.

Like I have said, I have faith when it comes to QB's in Philbin/Sherman/Ireland on this one. IF they take Tannehill fine. If they don't fine, I am good with it either way. BUT don't be crying a year from now when Miami is giving up the farm to move up and take a QB with less of a resume than Tannehiill. Because THAT possibility is very real!

After reading your post, you make sense.    It's not that I don't want Tannehill at all, I just don't like the value pick at the 8th spot.  I would take him if it was 2nd round, but of course, it doesn't sound like he'll be there.  It's a catch-22 as Lil' B was saying earlier.

[MikeO]

After reading your post, you make sense.    It's not that I don't want Tannehill at all, I just don't like the value pick at the 8th spot.  I would take him if it was 2nd round, but of course, it doesn't sound like he'll be there.  It's a catch-22 as Lil' B was saying earlier.

And I totally understand where you are coming from. And I am not saying Miami should or shouldn't take Tannehill. I have said I am fine either way. Take him, great. Don't, great. I can live with it (well unless they pass on him for an o-linemen then I might lose it..lol)

But something to remember, the same "experts" everyone runs to to point out they gave Tannehill that 2nd round grade and he shouldn't go in rd 1 or Top 10. Those same experts and scouts, are also saying Tannehill WOULD be the highest graded QB in the 2013 draft. And he has a higher grade than what Matt Barkley (the consensus #1 QB next year) has and will most likely have entering next years draft.

So, if Tannehill isn't playing this year (which he probably won't) then essentially you can get the #1 QB in the 2013 draft at #8. Hold onto all your picks. And he sits and learns in the NFL for 1 full year giving him a leg up on every QB drafted NEXT year.

Once again, that's not me pounding the table screaming THE MUST TAKE TANNEHILL. I trust Philbin/Ireland/Sherman when it comes to QB's. They have a track record. They (Sherman/Philbin) were at the ground floor when Rodgers came to GB and Philibin helped make Flynn to what he has become. These guys know what they are doing at that position. But if they take him, I get it and am not mad about it. Because the logic makes perfect sense!

People can't have it both ways and hide behind the "he was a 2nd round grade and only 19 starts" run to what the experts say about him and his grade....but then ignore the same people, same experts who gave him that grade who also say he would have the highest grade out of every QB in next years draft and his 19 starts are more than guys who have gone in the Top 15 and have had NFL success. You can't have it both ways!

[EKnight]

See- this is the BS I hate with the "experts." This is in no way whatsoever a knock on Mike at all. It's on Todd McS, and any of the other "experts" who are now ranking Tannehill ahead of Barkley or Jones. Where were these great people of knowledge three months ago, when Tannehill was WIDELY held as the number five QB in this draft? How does he go from being behind those two guys to ahead of them without any of them playing a down? The Tannehill hype machine is out of control. Someone's going to draft him, and someone's going to get burned. I hope it's not Miami. -EK

[MikeO]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82889361/article/dan-marino-worth-it-to-stretch-for-tannehill?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Marino weighs in on Tannehill

[Alwaysdullfan]

I hope the Dolphins wont pick Tannehill. He's not even that good, he's just the next best QB after Luck and RG3, and he's not ready to start right away. Therefore I hope the Dolphins pick an immediate impact player that can start right away week 1. Whoever they choose should be a starter next season but if they go defense, they will still need to fill the hole at WR. But as long as they pick the best player avaiable it should be good.

[EKnight]

Just so I don't come across as being disputatious simply for the sake of argument, let me clarify why I, specifically, don't want Tannehill. He isn't going to play this season. If Miami is going to draft a QB who isn't going to play this year, then they shouldn't draft him this year with so many other holes to fill, unless it's in the second or third round. With the number 8 pick, there are more players that can have an immediate and greater impact for Miami without drafting Tannehill. It's a given that Luck and RG3 will be 1-2. After that though, with all the holes the Phins have, I can name ten guys who would be more impactful and better picks, allowing Miami to draft someone later or next year. Be realistic- Miami isn't going to win more than 8 games no matter who is under center, so why not get the best player they can at one of the numerous holes? Miami can't cover anybody in the secondary, and they haven't been able to since Madison and Surtain were there. Take Claiborne or Gilmore if they're there. They need help at receiver- take Blackmon or Floyd. I wasn't that down on Daniel Thomas last season, but wow- if Richardson is there, don't pass on him! There's talk of Wake leaving after this year, and even if he stays, he needs help with pass rush, especially after losing Langford- grab Coples or Cox. There's 7 guys AFTER Luck and RG3 that make more sense to me than stretching for Tannehill. Get one of them, let them play, and if need be draft a QB next year. It's not like drafting Tannehill and sitting him is somehow going to get Miami any closer to winning. The team will have a top 10 draft pick again next year with a deeper QB draft. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

It's just as likely that they give up the farm for a QB with more of a resume than Tannehill.

But here's the thing: you don't have to give up "the farm" for Tannehill at #8.  You give up one top 10 (but not top 5) first-round pick.

Next year, you give up two firsts and a second for someone who might grade out slightly better than Tannehill does right now.

Just so I don't come across as being disputatious simply for the sake of argument, let me clarify why I, specifically, don't want Tannehill. He isn't going to play this season.

Why wouldn't that be the case with whoever the Dolphins draft next year?  The only reason Luck ("the best prospect since probably forever") is starting this year is because of Peyton's contract out-clause.

Rookie QBs only start when the team is desperate and hopeless.  I guess you can make the argument that Miami will be worse at QB next year (with no one under contract), but if that's the case, why not draft a QB this year and give your new QB some time to learn before throwing him into the fire with the franchise on his shoulders?

[EKnight]

I've already stated why. You take the best player on the board, not a warm body because your fan base is clamoring to. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

The best QB on the board next year will definitely not grade out as well as Luck, will probably not grade out as well as RG3, and may or may not grade out better than Tannehill does now.  So again, why spend three picks next year to trade up and grab a QB that's not much different than the player you can get for one pick today?

You say the team has many needs; I agree.  So why should this needy team be dumping multiple picks to trade up for Barkley or Landry, as will likely be necessary next year?

[Dolphin-UK]

Haha, I love draft time...everyone is either for or against drafting Tannehill with a couple of people saying they don't mind but don't think it's good value.

Some things to think about...nobody knows how good Tannehill is going to be only whether he appears to have the right attributes and even then a lot of it comes down to where he lands and how he is handled. Once the hype starts, "experts" want/need to get their voices heard (to renforce the fact that they are an "expert"), they don't want to stand out from the crowd as being different in case they are wrong otherwise they are clearly not an expert. Hence experts will all say he's going to go high, he's got good attributes but that he's overrated. This is the triple whammy, if he goes high, they were right, if he drops they were also right, if he does well they had him as a high 1st round pick if he doesn't they always said he was overrated.

FWIW...I suspect Tannehill is overvalued to be going in the top 10 but QB inflation rate has bumped him up. I don't have an issue taking him at 8 as long as we believe he has the attributes and are not just bowing to homer fan pressure to take a QB. I would rather we pick for positional value rather than a QB because we need one, I would rather we trade down if someone else wants to jump on Tannehill at #8.

The entertaining thing will be if we take him and he busts it will finally provide the evidence that just drafting a QB because you need one doesn't always provide a solution.

[MikeO]

The entertaining thing will be if we take him and he busts it will finally provide the evidence that just drafting a QB because you need one doesn't always provide a solution.

Disagree. The entertaining thing is if we use ANOTHER 2nd round pick on a very flawed QB after this franchise has seen that way fail time and time again (Henne, Beck, White...etc)

That's when we become the LOLphins and are no longer the Dolphins in the eyes of many. I mean how many times can you make the same mistake over and over again

[EKnight]

The best QB on the board next year will definitely not grade out as well as Luck, will probably not grade out as well as RG3, and may or may not grade out better than Tannehill does now.  So again, why spend three picks next year to trade up and grab a QB that's not much different than the player you can get for one pick today?

You say the team has many needs; I agree.  So why should this needy team be dumping multiple picks to trade up for Barkley or Landry, as will likely be necessary next year?

Why are you so convinced that Miami gives that much up? You can't possibly know that. It's absolute speculation. They could go 4-12 have one of the top three picks and give up nothing. Vegas has the over under on wins for them at 6.5, so it's fairly likely they will be in a similar spot next year as they are this year. You're also saying Miami only has to give up one first round pick to move up this year. Wrong. They would have to give up this year's first, second, one of the thirds AND a late round pick to move up to 3 and get him. He's not worth anywhere near that. Four draft picks when the team has so many holes would cripple them further. With the way Tannehill shot up the boards without playing a down this off-season, it's likely there will be three or four QBs in 2013 that do the same thing- just like players do every year- and grade out higher than him. -EK

[Dolphin-UK]

Disagree. The entertaining thing is if we use ANOTHER 2nd round pick on a very flawed QB after this franchise has seen that way fail time and time again (Henne, Beck, White...etc)

That's when we become the LOLphins and are no longer the Dolphins in the eyes of many. I mean how many times can you make the same mistake over and over again

Disagree back at ya :-) Blowing a 1st on a QB who busts will be entertaining because then no matter where we drafted a QB they bust! The fans won't know what to clamour for at the next draft!

*We must spend a 1st rounder on a QB, oh wait that didn't work last year...let's pick up a bargain in the 2nd round...oh wait no that doesn't work either...FREE AGENCY!!! That's the answer oh, no wait we've tried that too....erm..*

This said, I appreciate the idea of at least trying to make something work out by forcing the issue...AS LONG as Tannehill drops to us, and even then if they go another way because they see better value at another position of need, I respect that call.

[Brian Fein]

I like the conversation in this thread.  Nice job guys.

My beef with Tannehill is that his value is currently inflated due to 2 other high-tier guys at his same position.  its like teams all said "I want Andrew Luck! Oh, he's gonna be gone...?"
Then it became "No Luck, so RG3!  Oh he's gone too?"
The next logical statement is "Who's the next QB on the list?  Maybe we can get him"

I equate it to fantasy football.  I'm drafting 9th or 10th and there have been 8 RB's picked.  Do you take the 9th best RB in the league or the #1 WR or #1 QB?  I think in a world where you need a pass rusher, a right tackle, a wide receiver, you take the best talent and best player on the board, not just stab at a QB and try to fill the other holes with lesser talents.

Now, if somehow Tannehill lasts until the Dolphins' pick in the 2nd round, you take him and don't look back.

[Phishfan]

If they really thought he was worth less than the journeyman contract Seattle signed him to, he never should have been seriously considered as a long-term solution.  Therefore, one of two things was the case:

1) Ireland never considered him a serious solution (which means he had no real plan for an upgrade at QB, and was flapping his gums aimlessly)
2) Ireland did consider him a serious solution, but lowballed him

Why does not considering Flynn a serious solution equate to having no plan to upgrade the QB position? I can agree that maybe he was flapping his gums but maybe it isn't aimlessly. Maybe it was to help get someone like Seattle to jump for him? There is a bit of chess involved, I'm just not sure how well Ireland plays the game.