It is almost like both parties want to lose....

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Lets see....

Obama is running on making gay marriage legal.  The Veep forced the issue to come out early, Obama wanted to annouce this policy around the time of the convention.  Seriously, man.  Not saying he is wrong on the issue, but you want to make this a campaign issue.     There was absolutely nothing Mitt Romney biggest problem was solidifying the Christain conservatives.  Problem solved.

Romney on the other hand is running on the issue that Obama is a divider not a uniter for ever mentioning that Bin-Ladin was killed on his watch.  His campaign is going nuts screaming that this is horrible polticizing of an issue that should not be politized.  Really can you say that with a straight face?  Didn't hear you say the same thing when Bush did his "mission ackomlished" speech on a carrier or ever critize the entire fucking Rudy Gulliani campaign.  The only other issue Romney is running on is Obama's lack of experience.  That was an issue four years ago.  He has been president for four years.  He no longer lacks experience.

Meanwhile Romney's superpac has decided that the reason why McCain lost was he didn't hit hard enough on Jeromy Wright and want to make that the number one campaign issue against Obama.  Seriously?  Scaring people into thinking Obama was a black panther had some legs four years ago.  After four years in office even the folks who don't like Obama don't believe that. 

There are real differences and real issues between the two canidates, but both sides seem to be running completely inept campaigns. 

[badger6]

If Ron Paul ain't running, I ain't voting, simple as that. So it looks like I ain't voting again. Neither of those other 2 clowns deserve my vote. Kinda sad that this is the best that our country has to offer for leaders......

[Frimp]

If Ron Paul ain't running, I ain't voting, simple as that. So it looks like I ain't voting again. Neither of those other 2 clowns deserve my vote. Kinda sad that this is the best that our country has to offer for leaders......

Then keep your mouth shut if something happens that you don't like.

Has anyone heard the Jeremiah Wright interviews, claiming that Obama came to him as a Muslim, and he wasn't sure that he converted him to Christianity? He also says that the Obama campaign offered him 150 grand to not preach until after the election. This, combined with Obama care likely being overturned by the SCOTUS, coming out for gay marriage, etc spells disaster for the president in my opinion.

[BigDaddyFin]

I thought McCain lost because he had no guts.  He seemed content to lose to a historical event from the get-go.  And he could have hammered the Obama campaign on any number of issues and didn't. 

However, I must admit Hoodie, even I look at the Romney campaign and go "what the fuck?!"  If Obama were able to get any kind of traction on any issue, or if he were a stronger candidate, then he'd be winning going away.  But it's still way too early yet.  None of these polls mean jack shit until after the convention.

[Cathal]

Then keep your mouth shut if something happens that you don't like.

Has anyone heard the Jeremiah Wright interviews, claiming that Obama came to him as a Muslim, and he wasn't sure that he converted him to Christianity? He also says that the Obama campaign offered him 150 grand to not preach until after the election. This, combined with Obama care likely being overturned by the SCOTUS, coming out for gay marriage, etc spells disaster for the president in my opinion.

There's nothing wrong with what badger6 said. I'm in his camp as well. I don't like either of the frontrunners, so am I to vote for one the those two jokers? I can still criticize them because I was against them at the start.

[suck for luck]

Romney wins by 8-12 points. And thank God for it.

[Frimp]

There's nothing wrong with what badger6 said. I'm in his camp as well. I don't like either of the frontrunners, so am I to vote for one the those two jokers? I can still criticize them because I was against them at the start.

Of course you can. Just for future reference, the emoticon means joking or being facetious, etc.

[Cathal]

Of course you can. Just for future reference, the emoticon means joking or being facetious, etc.

Understood. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I thought McCain lost because he had no guts. 

I thought he lost it b/c he lost his soul.

Before the campaign he was fiercely independant and willing to talk straight even if it offended some in his base by agreeing with the democrats.  But he sold out during the primary to win the base and never recovered from that.

Plus he never had a real vision.  He ran as the alternative to Obama, but never gave a reason to vote FOR him, only a few reason not to vote for Obama.  Obama on the other hand offered reason FOR himself, even if those were hollow reasons like "hope" and "change"

Likewise Romney has yet to offer a reason to vote for Romney, just some weak reason to vote against Obama.

[bsmooth]

If Ron Paul ain't running, I ain't voting, simple as that. So it looks like I ain't voting again. Neither of those other 2 clowns deserve my vote. Kinda sad that this is the best that our country has to offer for leaders......

Congrats on being part of the problem and not the solution. If you have finally had enough with the current two party system then look into a third party. You are options are not isolated to voting either (D), (R), or nothing. It is this mentality that you have to pick one of the two clowns offered up by the party machinations that keeps the status quo of  greed, corruption and inaction alive in D.C..

[Frimp]

Likewise Romney has yet to offer a reason to vote for Romney, just some weak reason to vote against Obama.

I think he will at and leading up to the convention. I agree that he should have already presented an agenda.

[badger6]

Congrats on being part of the problem and not the solution. If you have finally had enough with the current two party system then look into a third party. You are options are not isolated to voting either (D), (R), or nothing. It is this mentality that you have to pick one of the two clowns offered up by the party machinations that keeps the status quo of  greed, corruption and inaction alive in D.C..

Has nothing to do with me being isolated to one side of the other. I actually don't get in to the whole republican or democrat thing. I pick based on the candidate. I would counter that the real problem is with the way the whole system is structured. In my opinion not voting for people that don't deserve my vote is the only thing to do. I won't pick the lesser of two evil.

[masterfins]

I thought McCain lost because he had no guts.  He seemed content to lose to a historical event from the get-go.  And he could have hammered the Obama campaign on any number of issues and didn't. 

IMO McCain lost because he honestly said it would be a mistake to bring all the troops home from Iraq & Afghanistan IMMEDIATELY.  Then the GOP and his people stuck him with Sarah Palin, instead of the running mate he wanted.

[masterfins]

I would counter that the real problem is with the way the whole system is structured. 

True to an extent.  It's the diehard party extremists that end up picking the final candidates because they are the ones that vote in the primaries.  Additionally, with primaries spread out over time, its the voters in the early states that have more power in picking the eventual candidate because many times once a candidate gets rolling voters in other states just go along.  I'd be for having a National primary on the same date, I think you would see more main stream candidates emerge.

[Dave Gray]

True to an extent.  It's the diehard party extremists that end up picking the final candidates because they are the ones that vote in the primaries. 

I think that this is somewhat of a myth, on a national scale.  Obama, as much as FOX wants to paint him a socialist, ultra-liberal, is basically a Republican from about 15 years ago.  He's a military hawk.  He has very mainstream views on most fiscal issues.  Socially, he's somewhat left, but even there, he's just changing to reflect the rest of the country.

And Romney, while he talks a big game about being a conservative, is a moderate, historically speaking.  He's certainly not the far right candidate that the tea party base wanted.

The issue with the extremists is not the Presidency.  It's the congress.  You end up getting a bunch of lunatics who aren't willing to work together, and are only there to make a name for themselves.