Ocho Cinco?

[EKnight]

I want to know if all the haters are going to eat crow when Chad ends up being the best receiver Miami has, or is it going to be Tebow all over again with me calling the playoff win and his performance or Marshall making the Pro bowl and everyone suddenly going silent??! -EK

[Pappy13]

Blinders? You've got to be kidding.

I said that in regards to you comparing the signing of Garrard to the signing of Ochocinco. Compare the years that both of them had when they last played and there's NO comparison. Garrard didn't play last year because he was recovering from surgery, so all you can really go on is his 2010 stats which are pro-bowl quality.

Garrard: 236-366 64% 2,734 yards 7.5 yds/attempt 23 TD's 15 INT's 4 rushing TD's playing for the Cincinatti Bengals.

Ochocinco: 15-276 18.4 avg 1 TD playing for the New England Patriots.

[Pappy13]

I want to know if all the haters are going to eat crow when Chad ends up being the best receiver Miami has, or is it going to be Tebow all over again with me calling the playoff win and his performance or Marshall making the Pro bowl and everyone suddenly going silent??! -EK

I have already said that I'd be more than happy to say I was wrong about him if he exceeds my expectations. I'd actually enjoy doing that. Are you going to do the same when he turns in a 15 catch 250 yard season?

[EKnight]

I'll do the same if he doesn't lead the team in two out of the three categories- receiving TDs, receptions and yards, how's that? -EK

[Pappy13]

I'll do the same if he doesn't lead the team in two out of the three categories- receiving TDs, receptions and yards, how's that? -EK

Agreed, unless of course he does that with a 15 catch 250 yard season in which case we were BOTH wrong.

Looks like it's time to quit talking and go get the popcorn.  

[EKnight]

Seriously...THIS is why I love this game!!! Best of luck on that- as long as the team improves we both win!!! -EK

[Spider-Dan]

I want to know if all the haters are going to eat crow when Chad ends up being the best receiver Miami has [...]

That depends on whether or not he actually has a good year.

If "the best Miami WR in 2012" ends up being anything like "the best Miami RB in 2004" or "the best Miami QB in 2007," then no, I won't be eating any crow.

or is it going to be Tebow all over again with me calling the playoff win and his performance [...]

That would be the same performance that got him traded for the equivalent of a early-fourth-round pick... two years after being drafted late in the first.  Yes sir, you called that one!

or Marshall making the Pro bowl and everyone suddenly going silent??!

I don't even know what you're talking about here.

[EKnight]

^^Perhaps that's because I wasn't talking to- or about you. It is actually OK for a thread to go about its business without Spider interjecting with a purpose of proving someone wrong.  -EK

[Spider-Dan]

You were just talking about "everyone suddenly going silent" when Marshall made the Pro Bowl.  Who is this supposed "everyone"?

[Thundergod]

Just sayin, using Chad Johnson's stats from last year is silly. The guy actually STARTED 3 games, and hardly even saw the field the entire year. When he DID play how many times was he actually targeted before they benched him for the game? I saw a bunch of NE games, and to the best of my recollection, the guy was always on the sidelines. If you want to use stats use his last year in Cincy. Last year's stats are much more comparable to his rookie season with the Bengals.

If you want to use the "He's a retard because he couldn't learn the playbook" excuse, then so be it, but leave the stats out.

[MikeO]

2 wins wouldn't have, not sure if 3 would have either and I'm not even sure that Marshall would account for a 3 game difference in the standings this year let alone Ochocinco. So if we are going to throw out crazy talk, then why stop there, why not believe that B.J. Cunningham or Rishard Matthews or Jeff Fuller could end up being rookie of the year and account for that 3 game swing? Is that any more far fetched then Ochocinco doing it? I think not.

I agree.We LOSE Marshall, SIGN Ochocinco and now are gonna be 2 or 3 games better and in the playoffs? That doesn't make any sense. (by the way thats not HATING on the Ochocinco signing, that's just being realistic. I have no problem with the signing. I wouldn't have done it if I were in charge, but I have no beef with it.)

As much as i hate Marshall....Brandon is still a lot better than Ochocinco including all of Marshall's drops, stupid penalties, and dropped touchdowns. This logic is foolish.

And when the hell did OTA's become the standard to judge things? It's a bunch of guys in shorts running around with no contact in 2-3 day time spans in the middle of their offseason. Blanket statments like our WR's suck because they dropped balls in OTA's (mind you they have 3 different QB's throwing to them) is beyond foolish and silly. Until guys are hitting, the OTA's mean little. No rookie should be judged on anything in MAY and JUNE! Give them till training camp for crying out loud before throwing out the BUST label!

[MikeO]

You were just talking about "everyone suddenly going silent" when Marshall made the Pro Bowl.  Who is this supposed "everyone"?

Exactly. NOBODY went silent! Once again someone is re-writing history. AS THE PRO BOWL GAME WAS BEING PLAYED I was on this very site congratulating Marshall as he was racking up the TD's.

Posts are archived/saved on this site. Very easy to check things. Some people make up their own a reality though. Pretty sad.

[Phishfan]

and hardly even saw the field the entire year.

I kind of thiknk that is half of their point when they talk about the stats. He wasn't on the field for a reason.

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

Let the guy get on the field and then make those statements.  It's not like Miami has lost out on top flight FA wideouts BECAUSE of this signing.  I'm not understanding the risk, nor the outrage.

Kind of summed up my feelings. Was I jumping for joy over this pick up.....no....was I upset about it....no. I felt about this the same way I felt about Tannehill.....I have my opinions on him but I want to see him play before I write him off or hype him up.

[MikeO]

Kind of summed up my feelings. Was I jumping for joy over this pick up.....no....was I upset about it....no. I felt about this the same way I felt about Tannehill.....I have my opinions on him but I want to see him play before I write him off or hype him up.

Ocho has to earn a roster spot let alone a starters spot. Would I be surprised if Ocho makes the team, nope. Would I be surprised if he is a starter, yep!

But Ocho like the rest of the rookies, scrubs, older players has to earn his spot. He isn't a proven player anymore who will be handed anything. Those days are over.

At the vet minimum I have NO PROBLEM letting him earn his spot. And if he acts up, cut his ass. It's just that easy. If he turns out to be a goofball, I don't care how many yards and TD's he has, they will cut him. If they did it with Brandon they will do it with Ocho for damn sure. Especially if the Fins are in the middle of the season and out of the playoff race for all purposes.