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Cathal
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2012, 11:22:03 am »

Tebow is probably going to be used as a HB/RB and score by running it in. I don't think they will, but they may, use him near the goal-line as the QB.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 12:00:49 pm »

He doesn't need to be. All he needs to do is score in the red zone for NY and he improves their team. He was the best red zone QB in the entire league last year. That's an undisputable fact. And his red zone performance was better than anyone for 2 years. Also a fact. -EK
Wouldn't that more accurately be stated that Denver led by Tim Tebow was the best redzone offense in the league? Unless Tim was snapping the ball to himself and running it in, it doesn't necessarily mean that since he did it last year with Denver he'll be able to do it again this year with the Jets, does it?
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 12:06:52 pm »

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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2012, 12:13:38 pm »

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  My nose is burning!!!!!  I was drinking my coffee this morning and when I read this, I laughed so hard it came right out of my nose!!!!


By any chance did you get any of it on your computer monitor?
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2012, 12:37:35 pm »

Wouldn't that more accurately be stated that Denver led by Tim Tebow was the best redzone offense in the league? Unless Tim was snapping the ball to himself and running it in, it doesn't necessarily mean that since he did it last year with Denver he'll be able to do it again this year with the Jets, does it?

Spliting hairs.  I don't know if you actually watched the plays, but he was the difference for Denver.  Orton had the same o-line as Tebow, one rushed for TDs one didn't. 

Tebow is far from the best overall QB in the league.  But is the best wildcat QB in the league, regardless of the o-line in front of him. 
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2012, 04:40:58 pm »


Tebow is far from the best overall QB in the league.  But is the best wildcat QB in the league, regardless of the o-line in front of him. 

This would be obvious I would think since he's the only true QB running the wildcat!  No matter how bad a QB he is you have to account that he just might pass....  plus he has enough speed to make you pay for hesitating and power to run through tackles.
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012, 05:17:43 pm »

How is that cherry picking? No one cares about 3rd/6th whatever

Ok, BY THAT LOGIC  nobody cares about 25th worst pass defense.

Either ALL the stats matter or they ALL don't. You can't just use some stats and ignore others!
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2012, 05:24:54 pm »

And therein lies my point- 6-10 is the stat that mattered. NOT the cherry picked stats you keep referring to. -EK
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2012, 05:27:01 pm »

And therein lies my point- 6-10 is the stat that mattered. NOT the cherry picked stats you keep referring to. -EK

And the defense gets ALL the blame for 6-10 and the offense and QB gets none in your world.  Roll Eyes

Once again, CHERRY PICKING!
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2012, 05:31:19 pm »

Spliting hairs.  I don't know if you actually watched the plays, but he was the difference for Denver.  Orton had the same o-line as Tebow, one rushed for TDs one didn't. 

Tebow is far from the best overall QB in the league.  But is the best wildcat QB in the league, regardless of the o-line in front of him. 
Perhaps, but that doesn't prove he's still the best redzone QB in the league regardless of the o-line in front of him.
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2012, 05:35:47 pm »

And the defense gets ALL the blame for 6-10 and the offense and QB gets none in your world.  Roll Eyes

Once again, CHERRY PICKING!

Nope, the defense doesn't get all the blame. But it gets a greater share of the blame when it's one of the worst defenses in the league when it comes to blowing a lead. If it could have held someone- ANYONE- to a FG instead of an easy 7 in the fourth, Miami might have won 10 games. -EK
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012, 06:09:54 pm »

Nope, the defense doesn't get all the blame. But it gets a greater share of the blame when it's one of the worst defenses in the league when it comes to blowing a lead. If it could have held someone- ANYONE- to a FG instead of an easy 7 in the fourth, Miami might have won 10 games. -EK
The offense and the defense were the reason MIA went 6-10 last year.  If I HAD to pick which was worse, it would be the offense.  To make a comparison, the defense would have been a normal shit you take after work.  The offense would be a shit you take after a night of eating Mexican.  Point is, they were both shit, so I don't see why you all are bent out of shape to see who is right.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2012, 06:49:22 pm »

This debate is so silly. Here is all you need to know.

Almost EVERY starter (except Bell and Langford) is back on Defense. Why, because the unit is good (not elite, not great, but good) and produced. And only snapped/broke down when they were put in bad situations by the offense and got no help from the offense. And they only let Langford go because they couldn't afford him otherwise they would have kept him. It was Soliai or Langford and they kept Soliai.

The offense on the other hand got a complete overhaul and got rid of 4 starters in Marshall, Columbo, Henne, Carey. Last years offensive MVP Moore they didn't like enough so they signed Garrard and then used a #8 overall pick on Tannehill. So it shows they don't love Moore at all. They pretty much BLEW UP the offense and are starting over.

So, a whole new coaching staff looked at this team, its full roster and decided to KEEP the defense in tact and bring damn near everyone back and make essentially no changes but decided to revamp the entire offense. That's all you need to know!
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2012, 11:34:02 am »

This debate is so silly. Here is all you need to know.

Almost EVERY starter (except Bell and Langford) is back on Defense. Why, because the unit is good (not elite, not great, but good) and produced. And only snapped/broke down when they were put in bad situations by the offense and got no help from the offense. And they only let Langford go because they couldn't afford him otherwise they would have kept him. It was Soliai or Langford and they kept Soliai.

The offense on the other hand got a complete overhaul and got rid of 4 starters in Marshall, Columbo, Henne, Carey. Last years offensive MVP Moore they didn't like enough so they signed Garrard and then used a #8 overall pick on Tannehill. So it shows they don't love Moore at all. They pretty much BLEW UP the offense and are starting over.

So, a whole new coaching staff looked at this team, its full roster and decided to KEEP the defense in tact and bring damn near everyone back and make essentially no changes but decided to revamp the entire offense. That's all you need to know!

This is not really a fair statement.  I agree the defense is "good", but the reason more of the "D" wasn't replaced is because they were focusing on the offense (for a second year), and they didn't have the draft picks to fix both units.  Your implying that they wanted to "KEEP" the defense intact, which I doubt is the case.  Half the defense needs upgrading.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2012, 01:35:37 pm »

Almost EVERY starter (except Bell and Langford) is back on Defense.
Almost EVERY starter (except Marshall, Columbo and Carey) is back on Offense. You can't include Henne in that list when Henne hasn't been the starter since week 4.

I don't see much difference in those 2 statements. If replacing 3 players is "blowing up the offense" then replacing 2 players is pretty much "blowing up the defense" as well.

And if you are going to conclude they weren't happy with Moore because they brought in some players to compete with him, then you would have to conclude they aren't happy with the CB's, Safeties, defensive lineman and linebackers either. All of which I would pretty much agree with by the way. Smiley
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