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« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2012, 04:09:51 pm »
The bottom line is that Miami's total defense was 15th in a league of 32 teams. That's not great or even good. Mathematically it's almost the exact definition of average- which is what they were. -EK
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« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2012, 05:31:14 pm »
Quote from: masterfins on June 21, 2012, 11:34:02 am
This is not really a fair statement.  I agree the defense is "good", but the reason more of the "D" wasn't replaced is because they were focusing on the offense (for a second year), and they didn't have the draft picks to fix both units.  Your implying that they wanted to "KEEP" the defense intact, which I doubt is the case.  Half the defense needs upgrading.

They spent big money to re-sign Soliai and even bigger money to extend Wake. If that isn't "wanting" to keep the defense in tact what is?
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2012, 05:39:11 pm »
Signing Wake after he held out for part of mini-camp is a PR move. The owner is all about trying to keep fans happy. After losing out on Manning, Flynn, and every other off-season pursuit it woul have been hell for Ross not to extend his own guy. -EK
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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2012, 05:43:58 pm »
so they didn't really want to re-sign/extend Cam Wake, it was all a PR move. Because he held out of 1 day of a voluntary workout in April     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Jesus christ!
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« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2012, 06:43:11 pm »
No. He actually sat out a week of off-season practices/camps with the specific intent of getting an extension. Get your facts straight. From ESPN:
"Miami Dolphins pass-rusher Cameron Wake is seeking a new contract and was not present at the start of the team's voluntary offseason workout program Tuesday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Wake has one year and $650,00 left on his contract, but a source told Schefter that Wake doesn't plan to show up to workouts without a new deal."

This happened at about the same time that Dolphins fans were so upset with the team's missteps that dozens showed up outside the team's headquarters in mid-March protesting general manager Jeff Ireland. The protests prompted team owner Stephen Ross to call some of the fans personally to assuage their doubts about the team's future.

So yes. Resigning THIS year to prevent a holdout further was a PR move. Jesus Christ has nothing to do with it. -EK
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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2012, 06:45:46 pm »
Quote from: MikeO on June 21, 2012, 05:31:14 pm
They spent big money to re-sign Soliai and even bigger money to extend Wake. If that isn't "wanting" to keep the defense in tact what is?



There's no secret they were looking to replace Soliai.... thing is Soliai stepped up a bit and the Dolphins had other needs!  They made the choice to keep Soliai and plug other holes on the team.  Soliai was by no means dominate!   It was much cheaper to keep him even with the contract than to try and replace a decent NT.
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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2012, 06:52:41 pm »
Quote from: Diehard_Dolfan on June 21, 2012, 06:45:46 pm
There's no secret they were looking to replace Soliai.... thing is Soliai stepped up a bit and the Dolphins had other needs!  They made the choice to keep Soliai and plug other holes on the team.  Soliai was by no means dominate!   It was much cheaper to keep him even with the contract than to try and replace a decent NT.

There isn't a NT in a 4-3 defense which Miami plays now. So, he isn't even a NT anymore he shifts to play DT and he won't get double teamed every play. Second off, they had Starks/Oddrick to replace him in a 4-3. Third, Soliai got big money and there was nothing "cheap" about keeping him.

And if you think they were looking to replace him that is just flat out wrong. 100% wrong. I don't know what else to tell ya.
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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2012, 07:01:09 pm »
Nothing cheap? He took a massive hometown discount over what Denver was reportedly offering him. Miami stole one on that deal. -EK
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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2012, 07:41:49 pm »
He never even visited with Denver let alone got an offer from them.

The Denver Post reported the Broncos never planned a visit with Soliai. Mike Kliss the Broncos beat reporter for the Denver Post who broke the Peyton to Denver story said this back in march 1 day before Soliai resigned with Miami

https://twitter.com/mikeklis/status/179944617901432832
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2012, 08:55:42 pm »
Yes he resigned the day before his scheduled visit. That doesn't mean that Denver wasn't willing to pay him big bucks and that Miami didn't get him cheap. Every outlet that reported the signing reported it the same way: "and the Dolphins not only kept him off the free-agent market, they got him at a hometown discount." (from cbssports.com). -EK
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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2012, 09:14:53 pm »
he never had a visit scheduled.  Roll Eyes

Mike Kliss of the Denver Post reported that he never had a visit scheduled and it was all BS. Even with the link provided you still find a way to go against the cold hard facts.  Probably  a case of Soliai's agent floating a false rumor to get Miami to move quicker. Because the Broncos never contacted Soliai.
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2012, 10:09:03 pm »
Quote from: MikeO on June 21, 2012, 06:52:41 pm
There isn't a NT in a 4-3 defense which Miami plays now. So, he isn't even a NT anymore he shifts to play DT and he won't get double teamed every play. Second off, they had Starks/Oddrick to replace him in a 4-3. Third, Soliai got big money and there was nothing "cheap" about keeping him.

And if you think they were looking to replace him that is just flat out wrong. 100% wrong. I don't know what else to tell ya.

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not the Dolphins were looking at letting him go and taking a DT in the draft!  Like I stated before they had other pressing needs and decided if it's not broke don't fix it...
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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2012, 10:32:38 pm »
Quote from: Diehard_Dolfan on June 21, 2012, 10:09:03 pm
It doesn't matter if you believe it or not the Dolphins were looking at letting him go and taking a DT in the draft!  Like I stated before they had other pressing needs and decided if it's not broke don't fix it...

They re-signed him over a month BEFORE the draft. What the heck are you talking about thinking about replacing him in the draft? Free Agency began March 13th. Soliai signed his deal March 14th. IF Miami was looking at letting him go (which they weren't) they would have let Soliai shop around and see if he had any other "real" offers and try to pay him LESS money than they did. Sign him after nobody else wants him. Give him the Matt Flynn treatment!! BUT,  Miami signing him less than 1 day into free agency shows how bad they did want him and didn't want to replace him or let him go.

Some of you are living in a parallel universe with a different reality.
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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2012, 06:44:27 am »
Quote from: MikeO on June 21, 2012, 10:32:38 pm
They re-signed him over a month BEFORE the draft. What the heck are you talking about thinking about replacing him in the draft? Free Agency began March 13th. Soliai signed his deal March 14th. IF Miami was looking at letting him go (which they weren't) they would have let Soliai shop around and see if he had any other "real" offers and try to pay him LESS money than they did. Sign him after nobody else wants him. Give him the Matt Flynn treatment!! BUT,  Miami signing him less than 1 day into free agency shows how bad they did want him and didn't want to replace him or let him go.

Some of you are living in a parallel universe with a different reality.

 I told you they decided it was better to keep him!  He played well enough that replacing him with other holes they had made less sense... also replacing through the draft meant a learning curve so keep Soliai and fill more pressing needs... 
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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2012, 07:48:29 am »
Played well enough? Are you serous, he is coming off a pro bowl season He is a top flight NT in this league who will now shift to DT where he will probably have MORE success. This notion that he is a marginal player who they were on the verge of letting go is laughable. They were trying to extend/sign him for 3 years. They gave him a HUGE payday in 2011 when they tagged him just to keep him and they gave him big money again this offseason back in March.

You have made up a false reality on this subject.
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