Revis holding out...AGAIN?

[Brian Fein]

Here, check this out.  I hate PFT, but the article speaks to this conversation.  Dated September, 2010:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/11/another-revis-holdout-could-be-coming-in-two-years/

Asked by King whether Revis could hold out again after the first two years of the deal, Revis said, “That’s a great question.  If I continue to play ball like I usually do, we’ll probably be back at that same position we were this year.”

[Spider-Dan]

Fair enough.  Hoodie's recollection is verified and I stand corrected.

[Brian Fein]

If you ask me it makes him a selfish primadonna, and if he holds out (according to this article) he's locked up with the Jets for 5 more seasons for a measly salary.  So, if he holds out, they could effectively end his career based on his previous contract.

So, if he holds out: he's under contract for 5 more years for 9 million total

If he doesn't hold out: he's a UFA after 2014

Front loaded contracts are bullcrap.

[Phishfan]

Front loaded contracts are bullcrap.

Can you delve a little deeper into why you feel this way? I would like to understand you position a bit more.

[Brian Fein]

Because of this exact situation.  They gave him 32 million dollars of a 40 million dollar 4-year deal, and now after he has cashed the checks for 80% of his salary (and working for only 50% of it), he is going to hold out for more money?  He owes the Jets 1 more year MINIMUM (1 year, 3 games and 12 minutes to be exact) based on what they've paid him, and he has no right to ask for more money.

[Phishfan]

So? Players sign contracts loaded on the back end and lose money all the time. Either way I really don't care what they do as I think there is way too much money in professional sports. I was just curious why you had what seemed like such a strong feeling.

[Brian Fein]

Its not that strong.  I just think that players have all the power in these situations, and it irritates me to see a guy like Revis try to manipulate the system to turn his $40 million contract that he just signed into a 100 million deal or more, just by holding out.  Personally I'd love it if the Jets said "you're under contract, play or don't" and if he chooses not to, he can't play anywhere else (cause he's under contract).

They will eventually trade his rights cause they're sick of his antics, and Revis will get his money in the end.  And this is why there is way too much money in sports, and why it costs people hundreds of dollars each game.  I'm sick of it.

[MikeO]

Its not that strong.  I just think that players have all the power in these situations, and it irritates me to see a guy like Revis try to manipulate the system to turn his $40 million contract that he just signed into a 100 million deal or more, just by holding out.  Personally I'd love it if the Jets said "you're under contract, play or don't" and if he chooses not to, he can't play anywhere else (cause he's under contract).

I actually think the Jets are gonna do that to him this time around

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Here, check this out.  I hate PFT, but the article speaks to this conversation.  Dated September, 2010:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/11/another-revis-holdout-could-be-coming-in-two-years/

Asked by King whether Revis could hold out again after the first two years of the deal, Revis said, “That’s a great question.  If I continue to play ball like I usually do, we’ll probably be back at that same position we were this year.”

Thank you for finding it.  That article or something similiar is what I remember reading. 

[Brian Fein]

I actually think the Jets are gonna do that to him this time around

I hope so!  You have to take the power away from the players at some point.

[Spider-Dan]

Its not that strong.  I just think that players have all the power in these situations, and it irritates me to see a guy like Revis try to manipulate the system to turn his $40 million contract that he just signed into a 100 million deal or more, just by holding out.

But I'm guessing you have no issue with when a team turns a players $40m contract into a $20m contract when they cut him halfway through?

I tire of the continual "you signed the contract!" argument.  Everyone knows that both sides understand that the contract that was signed will probably not be played through to the end if the player does significantly better or worse than expected.

They will eventually trade his rights cause they're sick of his antics, and Revis will get his money in the end.  And this is why there is way too much money in sports, and why it costs people hundreds of dollars each game.

Revis' contract does not affect the salary cap, the players' percentage of revenue (which, it bears mentioning, was just reduced), or the (non-existent) limit on the amount of money that owners are allowed to make.

It costs people hundreds of dollars to attend a game because teams are able to fill stadiums with people who are willing to pay hundreds of dollars to attend a game.  Player contracts have virtually nothing to do with the price of tickets for a sport as popular as the NFL.

[masterfins]

I'm not sure whether Revis is justified in holding out or not, it depends on what the salaries are for his position.  However, NFL "contracts" are not like real world contracts.  NFL contracts have always been played around with via bonus', etc to meet salary cap limits.  Then the big issue is that teams are allowed to cut players at will and not payoff on the contracts.  If teams had to payoff on contracts even if they cut the players then I would have a problem with players holding out.

[Brian Fein]

  If teams had to payoff on contracts even if they cut the players then I would have a problem with players holding out.

Sometimes, they do - they're called "guaranteed" contracts.  I don't see how its any different if they structure a deal with 80% up front, or 80% guaranteed.  The difference is that the up front leaves room to re-negotiate after the up-front is paid.

[masterfins]

^^^ And the team ownership knows this when the contract is signed.  It's not like what Revis is doing is something new.  Thanks for cluing me in on "guaranteed contracts", I never heard of that before.

[Spider-Dan]

MLB and NBA contracts are all fully guaranteed.  This is why you see a lot less holdout shenanigans in those leagues.

NFL players believe (not unfairly) that since the contract that both parties signed can be terminated if they don't play well enough, if they outplay that contract, it should be renegotiated.  I mean, imagine if players could immediately end their own contracts just like the front office can; a significant number of players would be signing HUGE new contracts every year.