Roster Cuts Began this morning

[MikeO]

I'm not talking about us MikeO, I think we have known it for awhile, I'm talking about Philbin, Ireland, Sherman etc. They need to come out and admit that this isn't a playoff football team and starting treating this as a rebuilding project.

Pappy you are a smart guy, what head coach does that prior to 1 game being played before the season. In the history of sports name one time that has happened? Seriously! As they say on ESPN...COME ON MAN!

I don't want to see them going after a bunch of over of the hill WR's in an attempt to shore up the WR corp.

They Haven't! And show no signs of doing so. Hell they didn't sign Braylon!

[MikeO]

On blaming Tannehill, he also had an interception, would have had a second one if Gates hadn't broken it up, and is telegraphing everything he throws. He's not ready. The NFL game is faster than he's used to, and your head's in the sand if you don't see that. -EK

Watch Andrew Luck and RGIII. Same things are being said about them right now.  They call it "growing pains" for a reason!

[Pappy13]

Pappy you are a smart guy, what head coach does that prior to 1 game being played before the season. In the history of sports name one time that has happened? Seriously! As they say on ESPN...COME ON MAN!

Maybe it's time we start a new trend. Telling the truth for once instead of worrying about what everyone thinks. I'm tired of hearing the likes of Vontae and Dansby spout off about how good they are, maybe someone needs to tell them that they stink every once in a while to keep their giant ego's in check. There were coaches at one time that weren't afraid to speak their mind, unfortunately honestly has become a dirty word these days.

[MikeO]

Maybe it's time we start a new trend. Telling the truth for once instead of worrying about what everyone thinks.

Good way to get a team to quit on you as well. Give up publicly before the season starts.

[Pappy13]

Good way to get a team to quit on you as well. Give up publicly before the season starts.

Or maybe it's a good way to find out who's a man and can take some honesty. I didn't say give up either, I said be honest and state that you're not just gonna make the team because you've been here 3 years. State that you're gonna give some guys a shot that haven't had a shot and see if they can step up. All of those guys have had 3 or more years to prove they were NFL ready and they haven't done it. Tell them "Sorry you might be better than so and so, but you've had 3 years and he hasn't had any, I'm giving him a shot".

[MikeO]

Or maybe it's a good way to find out who's a man and can take some honesty. I didn't say give up either, I said be honest and state that you're not just gonna make the team because you've been here 3 years. State that you're gonna give some guys a shot that haven't had a shot and see if they can step up. All of those guys have had 3 or more years to prove they were NFL ready and they haven't done it. Tell them "Sorry you might be better than so and so, but you've had 3 years and he hasn't had any, I'm giving him a shot".

Pappy we can agree to disagree on this but going public with such stuff before the season is not a way to run a franchise. You can be honest with the players behind closed doors but you don't go public with that stuff. Honesty is one thing, airing dirty laundry is another. Nothing good comes from that.

[Dave Gray]

Though everyone saw it coming, Les Brown getting cut is kinda sad to me.  I know he wanted it badly, but even more than that, I hate to see the guys that have their heads on straight, wanting to be the first one in/last one out, get cut because they just don't have the talent.

It's a sad reality, but a reality nonetheless.

[Pappy13]

Pappy we can agree to disagree on this but going public with such stuff before the season is not a way to run a franchise. You can be honest with the players behind closed doors but you don't go public with that stuff. Honesty is one thing, airing dirty laundry is another. Nothing good comes from that.

Now that we traded Vontae for draft picks next year can we say we are rebuilding? No still not yet? I'm sorry, but it's just silly for Philbin to continue to say with a straight face that it's not a rebuilding year.

[MikeO]

Now that we traded Vontae for draft picks next year can we say we are rebuilding? No still not yet? I'm sorry, but it's just silly for Philbin to continue to say with a straight face that it's not a rebuilding year.

What value comes from saying it? Nothing good. You know, I know, everyone knows we are rebuilding. Saying it just keeps fans away (franchise loses money) and gives the players a reason to quit and use it as an excuse. Nothing positive comes from saying it publicly.

[EKnight]

They DID say it publicly the minute they announced Tannehill as the starter with no one to throw the ball to. -EK

[masterfins]

Pappy we can agree to disagree on this but going public with such stuff before the season is not a way to run a franchise. You can be honest with the players behind closed doors but you don't go public with that stuff. Honesty is one thing, airing dirty laundry is another. Nothing good comes from that.

Exactly correct, you don't air your dirty laundry in public.  If Philbin did what Pappy wants him to then every sports reporter in the country would be making him, and the Dolphins, out to be fools.  Talk about players not wanting to play for a certain team.

[Spider-Dan]

Though everyone saw it coming, Les Brown getting cut is kinda sad to me.  I know he wanted it badly, but even more than that, I hate to see the guys that have their heads on straight, wanting to be the first one in/last one out, get cut because they just don't have the talent.

I think Les Brown was in a position where he was "first one in/last one out" because he didn't have the talent... like that would give him bonus points.  (I believe one of the coaches mentioned something to this effect.)

[Pappy13]

What value comes from saying it? Nothing good. You know, I know, everyone knows we are rebuilding. Saying it just keeps fans away (franchise loses money) and gives the players a reason to quit and use it as an excuse. Nothing positive comes from saying it publicly.

What good comes from insisting that it's NOT a rebuilding year? At least stop doing that. Say that you are gonna let the season play out and see how it goes. Say that you believe you have the talent to compete, but the players have to make plays or it's going to be a long season, etc. Say something within reason. Set some reasonable expectations for your fans because while you may not look silly now saying it's not a rebuilding year, people aren't as stupid as you think and at the end of the year, you are gonna look really stupid when you end up 4-12. And if you do end up 8-8 or something you can say that's a start, that you look to build on that next year, etc. I don't think any of you are giving the fans enough credit. I don't think any more are going to show up to the game because you SAY it's not a rebuilding year and I don't think any less are going to show up if you say it is. Personally I think they have already started to look silly stating that they are not rebuilding and then trading Vontae for future draft picks. What the hell are we supposed to believe, that this makes the Dolphins BETTER? C'MON MAN!!!

[BigDaddyFin]

I have a bad feeling the Les Brown thing is gonna bite us in the ass down the road.  Someone (cough Belicheck) is going to move him to reciever so we can watch him torch our DB's collective asses for the next decade.  Like the whole Wes Welker thing wasn't enough.

Edited to add

Plaxico Burress:  Old.  Character issues.  If you're going to sign him you might as well have kept Brandon Marshall
Lee Evans:  Old.  Wasn't all that big a deal to begin with.
Mike Sims-Walker:  Might be worth kicking the tires, but Jacksonville cut his ass AND he's still unsigned.  How good can he be?
Roy Williams:  Character issues, wasn't worth a shit to begin with.
Patrick Crayton:  See Lee Evans.

[el diablo]

Which speaks to rule #2 in implementing a pass oriented offense. If you're going to get rid of your #1 receiver, then you better have another one lined up. When you hope, you get what we have now.