This is the year that Tebow gets exposed.

[EKnight]

You rip the entire Dolphins secondary and say they all suck. That is ok but Tebow is somehow off limits??? Don't get the logic.  Can't you be happy for the success of Sean Smith, Rashad Jones, and Chris Clemons? lol lol

I'd be happy for them if they had success. I'm still awaiting that day. -EK

[el diablo]

When did Skip Bayless enter the building?

[Brian Fein]

I'm curious why everyone hates the guy so much. This board talks like he killed someone's cousin. Why can't people just be happy for someone's success without acting like a bunch of little bitches about it? Yeah. A bunch of little bitches. -EK

you didn't answer the question. I already told you why I hate him. I'm sick of hearing about him and the special treatment he has gotten since his days at UF.

Now, your turn.

[EKnight]

I thought my answer was implied. Apparently not- I'm happy for the guy's success, especially in the face of so many petty little people who have never met him, have no idea what kind of person he is, but insist on trashing him at every opportunity. Why is it that everything he has accomplished is "special treatment?" National championship, Heisman, multiple records at UF, earned the opportunity to start at QB over Orton, then proved it was the right decision by taking a 1-4 team to the playoffs and winning the wild card game (with the exact same bunch of guys Orton had- same defense, same kicker)- all of those things were "special treatment?" The more successful ANYONE is when they have so many people rooting against them, the happier I am for them. I'm one of the people who shed a tear when I saw Rudy. I'm guessing most of this board booed the end of the movie. -EK

[Brian Fein]

You don't get it.  No one takes his accomplishments away from him.

He gets special treatment in the media.  Articles like "Tebow took a dump today" and or "Tebow jerseys are for sale, FINALLY!" and ESPN's shameless Jets camp continuous coverage.  Its shameless.  And the whole time, HE'S NOT A VERY GOOD PLAYER.  Why not devote that media time and space to stories about guys that actually do something well.  Why continue to glorify a guy who can't throw the ball 30 yards to a wide open receiver?  Why continue to ignore his shortcomings publicly and play him up like he's the next Joe Montana.  Cause he's not.  And everyone knows it.  When will the media acknowledge that?

Why doesn't John Skelton get the same coverage?

When are they going to start selling Curtis Painter jerseys?

I can't stand the special treatment, and the constant drooling over him.

[EKnight]

And I can't stand the petty people who bitch and whine about it and start numerous threads here about how bad he is. It doesn't matter how often or in how many ways the haters say he sucks, the Heisman, the national title, and the playoff run last year would suggest otherwise. Why do you take such pleasure in personally attacking HIM? Isn't your real issue with the media? Tebow doesn't work for ESPN or CBS or fox sports. Why are there not threads here entitled, "this is the year that ESPN finally gets exposed?" -EK

[Brian Fein]

So your contention is that he really is a good player? And everyone should stop saying otherwise?

[EKnight]

No. My contention is that he's not as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he wins games, and while he does get tons of media coverage, a good portion of it is actually about how he "can't do" this or that, and yet people still hate on the guy because of his coverage. Now, is your contention that he seeks the attention of the media and it's somehow his fault he gets so much press? If not, isn't it time to get off his ass about it and rail against the media for a while? -EK

[Brian Fein]

I can rally against the media until I'm blue in the face.  Its not going to change what they cover.  However, if someone came to you on an hourly basis telling you mundane minute details about something you don't care about, wouldn't you also get sick of hearing about it?

[EKnight]

No, I'd change the channel. All I've heard about from this board about Marshall, Johnson, and Vontae is how happy everyone is about dumping those guys because, "character counts," "character is important," "good character guys are what the NFL needs." Tebow is- by every account- the ULTIMATE "good character," no- "great character" guy, and you guys villify him because of the media? What a bunch of hypocrisy! -EK

[MikeO]

No, I'd change the channel. All I've heard about from this board about Marshall, Johnson, and Vontae is how happy everyone is about dumping those guys because, "character counts," "character is important," "good character guys are what the NFL needs." Tebow is- by every account- the ULTIMATE "good character," no- "great character" guy, and you guys villify him because of the media? What a bunch of hypocrisy! -EK

1) Teblow isn't on the Dolphins so I don't care about his character. Because he doesn't play for the team I root for. I don't care what guys on other teams do and if they are good "character guys."

2) You are right he isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he is actually worse! Great college player, totally awful NFL QB. Had some miracle games but they are just that, miracle games. He can't play. If he could teams would have been knocking down Denver's door when they were trading him. They weren't.

[suck for luck]

The funny thing is that the people that can't stand the guy are almost entirely responsible for the media exposure that torments them.

[EKnight]

1) Teblow isn't on the Dolphins so I don't care about his character. Because he doesn't play for the team I root for. I don't care what guys on other teams do and if they are good "character guys."

2) You are right he isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he is actually worse! Great college player, totally awful NFL QB. Had some miracle games but they are just that, miracle games. He can't play. If he could teams would have been knocking down Denver's door when they were trading him. They weren't.

1) So character only counts for Miami? All this time you've said the blanket statement that in the NFL, character counts. If it only counts for 1/32 teams that's an even bigger hypocrisy. So which is it? It counts for all, thus his counts, or it doesn't, thus the view is hypocritical?
2) Acknowledgement of the fact that he was a great college player disputes Brian's statement that he got "special treatment" all the way back to UF. He was a spectacular college player that many places list him as top 10-20 ALL TIME best college football player so he didn't get any special treatment at UF, he earned what he got. -EK

[MikeO]

1) So character only counts for Miami? All this time you've said the blanket statement that in the NFL, character counts. If it only counts for 1/32 teams that's an even bigger hypocrisy. So which is it? It counts for all, this his counts, or it doesn't, thus the view is hypocritical?

YES, character counts! But ,I only root for Miami.  I only care about them as a team. So as long as they are on the right side of the Character issue I am happy! I can't worry about the other 31 teams and how they operate their business! If some teams choose to ignore character and be STUPID, so be it! Some teams take character seriously, others don't. I applaud the ones that do and boo the ones that don't. But at the end of the day I ONLY care about the Miami Dolphins and their stance on character and I could care less what the other 31 teams do. Not hypocritical at all.

2) Acknowledgement of the fact that he was a great college player disputes Brian's statement that he got "special treatment" all the way back to UF. He was a spectacular college player- many places list him as top 10 ALL TIME, so he didn't get any special treatment at UF, he earned what he got. -EK

He is a great college player, but so what? Different debate for a different time. He was great in college, ok that doesn't give you a golden pass in the NFL. Time to move on! Seriously he sucks as an NFL player. He is getting worse not better. Guy went from starting QB on a team that went to the playoffs to being traded for a 4th round pick and backing up another mediocre to bad QB in Mark Sanchez. Not exactly and upward career path of someone who is "good" or "great."

[EKnight]

But that wasn't the argument. Brian clearly stated he felt like Tebow got special treatment going back to UF and that was why he disliked him. Your own words indicate that he was such a great college player that he earned any media attention he got- thus, NO special treatment. Again, why the hate for him? It's misdirected. Be annoyed at the media, not the player.

Since you keep pointing out that you're a Dolphins fan, and Miami players are the only ones you care about, where's the same dislike for Dansby, who has been running his mouth the entire time he's been a Dolphin? I've pointed out his stupidity numerous times. He purposely draws media attention, but you defend him. Tebow does not but you hate the guy. Again, hypocrisy.

I honestly wish someone would just come out and say, "I'm petty and jealous and I dislike the guy because I'm uncomfortable with how good a person he seems to be and the fact that he's humble in the face of victory and gracious in defeat." At least you'd be being honest. -EK