This is the year that Tebow gets exposed.

[MikeO]

But that wasn't the argument. Brian clearly stated he felt like Tebow got special treatment going back to UF and that was why he disliked him. Your own words indicate that he was such a great college player that he earned any media attention he got- thus, NO special treatment. Again, why the hate for him? It's misdirected. Be annoyed at the media, not the player. -EK

Teblow brings most of it on himself. Forcing his "religion" down people's throat doesn't help his cause. Putting the religious scripture things under his eyes while in college. The over the top crying on the field after games. Doing antiabortion tv add's (which is a lightening rod issue in this country). If he learned to lay low on some things the hate wouldn't be there. I don't so much hate the guy as much as he sucks as a player and some people just can't admit he sucks. You can still root for the guy and admit he sucks.

P.S...I agree he was a great college football player, he ain't Top 10 alltime though. I don't know what UF homer put that list together but he ain't Top 10.  College football goes back many many years, and he ain't sniffing Top 10 of all time.

[EKnight]

Tony Barnhart and Gary Danielson of CBS sports actually debated whether he is the single greatest college player of all time- not top 20 or 10, but #1. The media outside of this jaded and biased little board here does not share many of the sentiments about Tebow. -EK

[Brian Fein]

^^ That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  Surely they can't be serious.  I suppose instead of having an opinion, you'd prefer if I wrote letters to those two buffoons telling them how stupid they are.

[EKnight]

Brian, you ARE aware that Tebow had better colleg numbers than Peyton, Eli, Stafford, Tim Couch, and J. Russell, each of whom was supposed to be sooooo great in college they went #1 overall in their respective drafts. You know this right? He had 88 passing TDs vs. 15 INTs and a career 120 passing rating against the SEC- the best conference in college football. Heisman and 2 national titles. Tell me a college QB that clearly had a better college career. It's not crazy to put him as an all-time great college player. Look at his numbers. -EK

[MikeO]

Tony Barnhart and Gary Danielson of CBS sports actually debated whether he is the single greatest college player of all time- not top 20 or 10, but #1. The media outside of this jaded and biased little board here does not share many of the sentiments about Tebow. -EK

They can debate it, doesn't make it true! LOL! Skip Bayless debates whether Derek Jeter is on steroids, doesn't mean its true! lol  lol! Anyone can debate anything! Barnhart is an SEC homer you can't take him seriously in a debate like that. And Danielson gets a paycheck from the SEC for doing their games. Both have bias!

In any order you want...(all had better careers than Tebow)
Red Grange
Jim Thorpe
Archie Griffith
Bronko Nagurski
Ernie Davis
Herschel Walker
Earl Campbell
Sammy Baugh
OJ Simpson
Dick Butkus
Hugh Green
Jim Brown (who was screwed out of the Heisman because he was black)
Ricky Williams

Tebow might be Top 15, Top 20. Top 10 is pushing it. SEC homers are very vocal and would push for it but in my opinion they are nuts to think he is Top 10.

[EKnight]

Have a read. From SI, not an "SEC homer":
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html

The very fact that Mike now admits Tebow may be top 20 all time only solidified my argument that Tebow got no special treatment in college. He really was that good. -EK

[MikeO]

Have a read. From SI, not an "SEC homer":
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html

The very fact that Mike now admits Tebow may be top 20 all time only solidified my argument that Tebow got no special treatment in college. He really was that good. -EK

Top 20 MAYBE, NOT Top 10! Doesn't change the fact he is F'n terrible in the NFL. Which you refuse to admit! Just say he sucks as an NFL QB. is that so hard to admit?

And the article is worthless because it only compares modern era college QB's. Big Whoop! The history of college football goes back over 100 years and takes into account a lot of players!

[Spider-Dan]

Now, is your contention that he seeks the attention of the media and it's somehow his fault he gets so much press?

Yes.  A thousand times, yes.

Brian, you ARE aware that Tebow had better colleg numbers than Peyton, Eli, Stafford, Tim Couch, and J. Russell, each of whom was supposed to be sooooo great in college they went #1 overall in their respective drafts.

None of those players are anywhere near the "best player in college football history."

And in any case, nobody is complaining about the coverage Tebow got in college.  He did deserve it; he was the Heisman-winning QB of a national championship team.  IN COLLEGE.

In the NFL, he is none of those things.  He's a backup QB who finished in the bottom 5 in passer rating, and who willed his team to an 8-8 playoff berth (including a 3 game losing streak to close out the season).  He won an OT playoff game at home against a Steelers team ravaged by injury, then promptly went on the road and lost to NE by 5 touchdowns.  He is now the backup for a QB with a career passer rating of 73.2.

[MikeO]

http://www.bobsblitz.com/2012/08/jim-cantore-tebowed-to-hurricane-isaac.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheNjFrogman+%28Bob%27s+Blitz%29

Weather Channel Host TEBOW'D during Hurricane Issac! lol lol

[EKnight]

Yes.  A thousand times, yes.
None of those players are anywhere near the "best player in college football history."

And in any case, nobody is complaining about the coverage Tebow got in college.  He did deserve it; he was the Heisman-winning QB of a national championship team.  IN COLLEGE.

BS if you believe he seeks attention. We will just have to disagree on that. Regarding the comment that "nobody is complaining" about his college coverage- Briam specifically DID mention he has a problem with the special attention going back to his UF days. Guess you missed that in your hasty attempt to start another argument with me. -EK

[Brian Fein]

You're really bent about that, huh?  So if I take back the "UF days" part of it, you're in full agreement with everything else?  Or you just keep mentioning that because its the only argument you can refute with numbers?

[EKnight]

I'm bent out of shape about it because it is a microcosm for the general attitude of Tebow haters- they remember what they want, revise history to fit their argument and overlook what really is, which is STILL the fact that the guy has done nothing personally to garnish hate from anyone, yet some people insist on hating him anyway. No, he's not a very good QB. Yes, in spite of that he wins, and has won at every level. Even Spider- who basically is in direct opposition to anything that comes out of my mouth- had to credit him with "will[ing] his team to an 8-8 playoff berth." Is that what really bothers you? The fact that in terms of being a pretty passer or inside the box QB he stinks, but he won more games than anyone could have conceived? I just don't get why thread after thread keeps popping up about the guy. News flash- he's one of the top 2 or 3 most popular players in the NFL. So...what is it that the entire rest of the country sees in him that this board misses? Or is it just blatant jealousy? -EK

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Why doesn't John Skelton get the same coverage?

When are they going to start selling Curtis Painter jerseys?

I can't stand the special treatment, and the constant drooling over him.

It is not that he gets special treatment because the media choose him.  The fans did.  Jets training camp broke records for attendence because people came by the bus load to see him.  So did Denver's whe he was there.  You can buy a Curtis Painter jersey if you want one...but nobody wants one.  Tebow happens to be one of the best selling jersey's.  That isn't the media, its the fans. 

[Spider-Dan]

EKnight, this conversation would probably go a lot smoother if you explained that you also (sincerely!) give Mark Sanchez credit for the wins he was "responsible" for.

When viewed in that light, a hearty defense of Tebow seems, if nothing else, consistent.  It makes sense that anyone who views Mark Sanchez as a "good" QB would also think Tebow is "good."

In fact, you could pretty much slap an endcap on this discussion by saying that Tebow was "every bit as responsible for [Denver's] wins as Sanchez [was] for the Jets" (link) or that Sanchez and Tebow are "basically the same player" (link).

I think everyone posting in this thread would agree with both of those statements.

[EKnight]

EKnight, this conversation would probably go a lot smoother if you explained that you also (sincerely!) give Mark Sanchez credit for the wins he was "responsible" for.

When viewed in that light, a hearty defense of Tebow seems, if nothing else, consistent.  It makes sense that anyone who views Mark Sanchez as a "good" QB would also think Tebow is "good."

In fact, you could pretty much slap an endcap on this discussion by saying that Tebow was "every bit as responsible for [Denver's] wins as Sanchez [was] for the Jets" (link) or that Sanchez and Tebow are "basically the same player" (link).

I think everyone posting in this thread would agree with both of those statements.

So....it may come as a surprise to you, but I have no obligation to make the conversation go smoother or have everyone agree with me. I frankly don't care if everyone agrees with me. My stance on Tebow's play is immaterial to this particular conversation. There are literally hundreds of NFL players as bad or wrose than him, who don't get the hate he gets. No multiple threads about how much they suck. No articles written about how bad their arms are or how they can't hit the side of a barn. Why? Why the fixation with slamming a guy who basically seems like a pretty good person? In retrospect to last year, having taken a step back and looked at the totality of how he played, I can honestly say I got caught up in the fun time that watching a 1-4 team make the playoffs and have multiple come from behind wins in seemingly ridiculous circumstances brought with them. Is Tebow currently a top 10 QB? IMO, no. Is he even very good or good at that? Nope. Does that mean that he should consistently get attacked one thread after another because he can't throw? I don't think so, and that's my point.

"This is the year that Tebow gets exposed." As what? A sub-par passer who carries guys into the end zone running the ball and had one great game (and yes, I STILL do believe the Steelers game was great), but in general seems to win for reasons beyond my comprehension. How is that getting exposed? Why do we need yet another thread pointing out the obvious? Why not start a new thread every month on how bad Miami's defense played in the fourth quarter of games? Why not start one after each game on how the receivers drop everything thrown to them- because even without Marshall, Hartline had 7 drops last year and Bess had 6 more? Ooh ooh ooh- why not make a thread every time Dansby says something stupid to the media? Wait- I mentioned this in a few threads, and the board lambasted me for it. Why does Tebow get killed for his poor play, but Dansby gets a free pass for underachieving AND being an idiot to the media? There are a ton of players far worse than Tebow, yet this board- in the face of most of the rest of the country loving the guy- seems to just relish in tearing him down. I don't get it. -EK