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« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2012, 11:15:49 am »



If you really are offended then you have to consider his audience

No, I don't.

I do realize all canidates focus on different things with different groups.  You don't go to Iowa and talk about rebuilding the the auto industry and then head to Detriot and talk
about expanding farm subsidies. 

For example,  I won't vote for someone (of either party) who goes the the NEA and says "I will improve our schools, even if it means cutting Social security" and then goes to AARP and says, "I will fund Social Security even if it means cutting the education budget".  (Not saying either canidate has does this specific thing.)

I see not reason to put either Obama or Romney in context of the audiance.  I do feel it is important to put the words into the context of the rest of the speech.  Saying Romney "likes to fire people" is his view on job creation is taking the line out of context.  But nothing was taken out of context here. 
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« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2012, 11:32:14 am »

I see not reason to put either Obama or Romney in context of the audiance.  I do feel it is important to put the words into the context of the rest of the speech. 

I agree with this, totally.  Attacking Romney for "I like to fire people" was stupid.
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« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2012, 11:34:57 am »

  I wonder how many of Romney's supporters actually like Romney, as opposed to just hating Obama.



Probably about the same number of Kerry supporters who just hated Bush instead of liking Kerry.  This is hardly a new phenomina of American voting. 
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« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2012, 11:43:40 am »

For me, it took a guy named Barrack Obama. In fact, I changed my affiliation from Dem to GOP. I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me. 
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« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2012, 11:49:06 am »

For me, it took a guy named Barrack Obama. In fact, I changed my affiliation from Dem to GOP. I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me. 

What specifically about him?  His being black?  Cause politically he isn't very different than Clinton and he is considerably to the right of Carter. 
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« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2012, 12:10:30 pm »

For me, it took a guy named Barrack Obama. In fact, I changed my affiliation from Dem to GOP. I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me. 

I'm not a "down the line" democrat, but I certainly don't understand how you could have been for the policies of the Dems 10 years ago, but then switched to the hard-right GOP because YOU haven't changed.  That just doesn't make a lick of sense.

If your views have changed, fine.  But there's no way that the GOP is closer to what the Dems used to be than the current Dems.  That's crazy talk.
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« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2012, 12:52:31 pm »

I read a stat somewhere that something like 82% of people who dislike Obama feel that way because of his race.  I can't find it again, unfortunately.

I think somewhere in the underbelly of this election is a societal race issue being masked with policy and falsities.  Its kinda sad that we as a nation still have that kind of prejudice going on.
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« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2012, 01:28:12 pm »

I agree with this, totally.  Attacking Romney for "I like to fire people" was stupid.

Or "you didn't build it" to attack Obama
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« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2012, 01:42:58 pm »

I read a stat somewhere that something like 82% of people who dislike Obama feel that way because of his race. 

I would think that is high but I can attest to meeting a number of people who feel this way. You can pretty much tell who they are even if they try to hide it or don't even realize it theirselves just based on their arguments.
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« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2012, 02:14:49 pm »

^^ yes, you can.  When you hear them making up completely false statements (like Paul Ryan does every time he speaks), you know they are not educated on the issues, and just using as a mask for their hatred.

I was also surprised by how big that number is (more like how many people they convinced to admit it).
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« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2012, 02:15:09 pm »

Or "you didn't build it" to attack Obama

Yeah, exactly.
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« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2012, 02:51:24 pm »

I read a stat somewhere that something like 82% of people who dislike Obama feel that way because of his race.  I can't find it again, unfortunately.

Standard fare for Obama and company. I hear it all the time, people who don't like Obama are racists. Personally, I don't like Obama. I have been called a racist. I've been told that I don't like him because he's black. On a few occasions I have informed them that Obama is half white. Of course they weren't having any of that talk. "He's all black as far as I'm concerned". Then you have the blacks that actually dislike Obama, and of course they are labeled "uncle toms" by the democrats. So if you say that 82% of people that dislike Obama do so because of his race. I can say that in Obama's 2008 presidential election, 45%-65% of everyone except blacks voted for Obama. 95% of blacks voted for Obama. You would think that the numbers would be somewhat inline with they other "minorities" votes. I guess the blacks felt that way because of his race and backed their boy up. See we can all play that game, the only difference is that my numbers are backed up by exit poll results and yours are not.

I think somewhere in the underbelly of this election is a societal race issue being masked with policy and falsities.  Its kinda sad that we as a nation still have that kind of prejudice going on.

Everyone is prejudice in one way or the other whether you want to admit it or not. To pre judge something or someone is natures way of protecting yourself and is not under your direct control. Most people, if given a choice, will want to be around and interact with people they have the most in common, who they are most like, and who they are comfortable with. It's kinda sad that as a nation we have people that think that it's possible to create a color blind society.
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« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2012, 03:05:27 pm »

The standpoint of "I hate Obama, let's try someone else" is inherently flawed, when the "someone else" in question is undeniably worse.  I wonder how many of Romney's supporters actually like Romney, as opposed to just hating Obama.

I don't think Romney is "undeniably" worse. I would also bet many people do not think Romney is ?Undeniably worse. I think Romney is the best option of anyone who is available right now.

He believes in less government (this encompasses so much), building businesses (and has experience doing so), supporting Israel and in creating a strong military to deal with zealots who threaten our freedoms.  That's a ton of things right there that would garner my vote.

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« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2012, 03:12:18 pm »

He believes in building business by outsourcing labor overseas to maximize profit.  How does that help unemployment?
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« Reply #89 on: September 19, 2012, 03:32:38 pm »

He believes in building business by outsourcing labor overseas to maximize profit.  How does that help unemployment?
Lol ... I don't think he is looking to outsource as president.

Look dude .... I used to sleep with pretty much everything that walked. As well, I fought like it effected if I ate or not but I'm certainly not raising my kids in that way because I know  the consequences of such actions. My priorities have changed, just as his would be as president. I think it's obvious he isn't in it to make money for himself.   
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