What would it take for you to vote across party lines?

[CF DolFan]

I would think that is high but I can attest to meeting a number of people who feel this way. You can pretty much tell who they are even if they try to hide it or don't even realize it theirselves just based on their arguments.

There are people who hate both Romney and Obama for racist issues. I don't think either party is excluded.  There are people who vote for both only for racist issues.

How do you change that?

[badger6]

How does that help unemployment?

And what exactly has Obama done for unemployment ? Obama is like the Tony Sparano of presidents. Shit just ain't never gonna work, he's in way over his head, time to move on. If the next one doesn't show real progress, boot his ass too. 

[CF DolFan]

No, I don't.

I do realize all canidates focus on different things with different groups.  You don't go to Iowa and talk about rebuilding the the auto industry and then head to Detriot and talk
about expanding farm subsidies. 

For example,  I won't vote for someone (of either party) who goes the the NEA and says "I will improve our schools, even if it means cutting Social security" and then goes to AARP and says, "I will fund Social Security even if it means cutting the education budget".  (Not saying either canidate has does this specific thing.)

I see not reason to put either Obama or Romney in context of the audiance.  I do feel it is important to put the words into the context of the rest of the speech.  Saying Romney "likes to fire people" is his view on job creation is taking the line out of context.  But nothing was taken out of context here. 

It is taken out of context if you think he is saying something that hasn't been said. It's the same line. It's just different language. I akin it to the Bible when reading the Apostle's letters. they wrote differently depending on who their target audience was, whether they were gentile or Jew for example, or even where they were in their faith but ultimately they said the same things.

Maybe this will help me to understand. What exactly was the new revelation that you didn't know prior to the secret video? What revelation will "turn" a Romney supporter against him? 

[Brian Fein]

Lol ... I don't think he is looking to outsource as president.

Missing the point.  Its not about what he will do AS president.  Its the mindset.  The Democratic ticket is rooted to create jobs by limiting outsourcing overseas.  The Republicans have supported tax cuts to companies who outsource since the Bush days.   

[Spider-Dan]

Lol ... I don't think he is looking to outsource as president.

Look dude .... I used to sleep with pretty much everything that walked. As well, I fought like it effected if I ate or not but I'm certainly not raising my kids in that way because I know  the consequences of such actions. My priorities have changed, just as his would be as president. I think it's obvious he isn't in it to make money for himself.   

By the same token, he's not looking to build businesses (in the same way that he built businesses at Bain) as president, either.  So by that logic, his experience is simply inapplicable; you can't grow the American economy by leveraged buyouts and outsourcing.

In fact, the most direct analogy to his role in creating jobs as president would be his performance (from a job creation standpoint) as governor of Massachusetts.  You will note that he does not run on that record.

[Fins4ever]

What specifically about him?  His being black?  Cause politically he isn't very different than Clinton and he is considerably to the right of Carter. 

Ironically, I voted for Obama AND I LIVE IN McCAINS STATE OF AZ. During the 3rd debate McCain said he would reduce government spending evenly across the board. Obama followed up by saying he would cut spending like a laser and identify wasteful spending before cutting funding. Not only did he not cut spending, he has added 6 trillion (6,000,000,000,000.00) to the deficit....and growing.

Obama has lied about everything he ever promised and hides behind "executive privilege" when things get rough. Hell, he is suing my state because we want to cut down on illegal immigration and have34 control on paying for all their medical bills and paternity costs.

Black??? Black??? I think you have it backward. The most likely person to vote for Obama strictly on race, is.....you got it....black.   

Disagree on the Clinton comparison (I voted for him 2). Obama is clearly a Socialist and I believe he may even be a closet Muslim. No one really knows what religion he is, do they???

I was working a Kennedy Space Center preparing for the Shuttle closeout when Obama got elected in 2008. One of his 1st moves was to replace the Center Director and tell him to be more friendlier to the Muslims and get them more involved with the Space Program. WTF!!

Here is just one of many articles on the subject. Go ROMNEY!

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/07/white-house-nasa-defend-comments-about-nasa-outreach-to-muslim-world-criticized-by-conservatives/

[Spider-Dan]

During the 3rd debate McCain said he would reduce government spending evenly across the board.

Unless McCain was planning on rewriting the Constitution, he would have no more power to actually implement that promise than Obama did to implement health care reform with a public option (as he promised).  Somehow, that's one failed Obama promise that I don't think you're too unhappy about.

Obama has lied about everything he ever promised and hides behind "executive privilege" when things get rough.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/politifact-tallies-obamas-campaign-promises/1249187

PolitiFact is tracking 508 promises made by Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential campaign. Here's the tally so far:

Promise Kept: 190 (37 percent)

Compromise: 72 (14 percent)

Promise Broken: 83 (16 percent)

Stalled: 49 (10 percent)

In the Works: 112 (22 percent)

Not yet rated: 2 (0 percent)

Note: Percentages don't add up to 100 because of rounding

As for executive privilege, Obama has asserted it exactly one time.  In contrast, GWB invoked executive privilege 6 times (twice in his first term), and Clinton invoked executive privilege 14 times.

Black??? Black??? I think you have it backward. The most likely person to vote for Obama strictly on race, is.....you got it....black.

Romney made a speech to the NAACP, then immediately used that appearance as fuel for his base, telling them that he told the NAACP to "vote for the other guy if you want free stuff."  And you think the reason why African-Americans don't want to vote for him is... because he's white?  Perhaps that whole "open scorning and mocking" thing has a bit to do with it.

Do you think that if it were Hillary Clinton vs. Herman Cain, Cain would command a vast majority of the black vote?

Obama is clearly a Socialist and I believe he may even be a closet Muslim.

You don't say.

[bsfins]

Ironically, I voted for Obama AND I LIVE IN McCAINS STATE OF AZ. During the 3rd debate McCain said he would reduce government spending evenly across the board. Obama followed up by saying he would cut spending like a laser and identify wasteful spending before cutting funding. Not only did he not cut spending, he has added 6 trillion (6,000,000,000,000.00) to the deficit....and growing.

Obama has lied about everything he ever promised and hides behind "executive privilege" when things get rough. Hell, he is suing my state because we want to cut down on illegal immigration and have34 control on paying for all their medical bills and paternity costs.

Black??? Black??? I think you have it backward. The most likely person to vote for Obama strictly on race, is.....you got it....black.  

Disagree on the Clinton comparison (I voted for him 2). Obama is clearly a Socialist and I believe he may even be a closet Muslim. No one really knows what religion he is, do they???

I was working a Kennedy Space Center preparing for the Shuttle closeout when Obama got elected in 2008. One of his 1st moves was to replace the Center Director and tell him to be more friendlier to the Muslims and get them more involved with the Space Program. WTF!!

Here is just one of many articles on the subject. Go ROMNEY!

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/07/white-house-nasa-defend-comments-about-nasa-outreach-to-muslim-world-criticized-by-conservatives/

I'm not trying to attack you,But I disagree with your reason......What he promised,was before the shit storm he walked into right after he got elected.He had no clue the World economic collapse was about to happen......IMO it's the same as holding Bush to what he promised prior to 9/11...The priority changed...

Maybe this will help me to understand. What exactly was the new revelation that you didn't know prior to the secret video? What revelation will "turn" a Romney supporter against him? 

For me....It wasn't any revelation...It just provedwhat I thought,I heard him say it.......He doesn't give two shits about me...

[Fins4ever]

I'm not trying to attack you,But I disagree with your reason.

Understand. I was never really interested in politics until about 3 yrs. ago. I basically just voted dem down the line most of my life based on the lie that Repubs were for the rich and Dems were for the poor. That is no longer true..IMO. This country needs a businessman in charge instead of a lifelong politician who is a professional campaigner.

Here is food for thought. Why do we have 50 women to choose from for crowning Ms. America, but realistically only 2 for President?

[Spider-Dan]

Here is food for thought. Why do we have 50 women to choose from for crowning Ms. America, but realistically only 2 for President?

Because the 2 remaining candidates have already beaten many competitors to get to this point.

It's like you're saying that only two teams are allowed to play for the championship, while ignoring all the teams they had to beat to get there.

[badger6]

Because the 2 remaining candidates have already beaten many competitors to get to this point.

It's like you're saying that only two teams are allowed to play for the championship, while ignoring all the teams they had to beat to get there.

The system is flawed and broken. These can't be the best 2 people to run the country. If they are this has become a sad pathetic excuse for the great country that it used to be. I pity us all.....

[Fau Teixeira]

I agree actually. Party extremists have too much say in the primaries. And you end up with one of two options. Either you get a extremist who won't appeal to the center (santorum) or you get an etch-a-sketch in Romney

[Spider-Dan]

The system is flawed and broken. These can't be the best 2 people to run the country. If they are this has become a sad pathetic excuse for the great country that it used to be. I pity us all.....

Our system of government does not measure who is best suited to run the country.  It measures who can get the most people to vote for them.  Period, full stop.

As they say, democracy is the worst possible form of government, except for all the others.

[CF DolFan]

Our system of government does not measure who is best suited to run the country.  It measures who can get the most people to vote for them.  Period, full stop.

Obviously that is true. I think one of the bye products is that it ultimately divides people. In the end it forces people to pick "one" side or the other as if one is good and one is evil. The fact is it's really just two different ways of looking at most things.

As they say, democracy is the worst possible form of government, except for all the others.

This is the biggest reality of the situation.

[CF DolFan]

For me....It wasn't any revelation...It just provedwhat I thought,I heard him say it.......He doesn't give two shits about me...

See ... this is what I mean about his comments not mattering. I don't think at all that is what he is saying but the chances of me changing your mind is probably pretty slim.
 
In my opinion he is speaking about those who  "want" to abuse the system and not someone who is struggling ...  which is a Republican concern. It's not that they don't care about poor people. they just have a different way of wanting to help them.