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« Reply #105 on: September 24, 2012, 05:35:48 pm »

No, I'm saying that if the gov't can't verify it, you personally damned sure can't verify it.

If they didn't buy all there stuff with money, where did it come from ? That shit is coming from somewhere. I know, maybe they pulled it out of their ass......

So then, in your opinion, poverty is not defined by the actual amount of money you have, but rather what you spend that money on?

One person makes $11,000 a year and has one pair of $100 Jordans.  Another person makes $13,000 a year and has four pairs of $30 Wal-Mart shoes.  According to you, the person making less is living the more extravagant lifestyle.  Have I accurately described your position?

I guess you think people that milk the taxpayers should be buying $150 shoes in the first place ? How can you justify buying luxury items over food and then asking the taxpayers to feed the person. Personal choices and personal responsibility are just for people not on assistance ?


Please explain exactly what it is supposed to mean if I see a nice car in a poor area of town, when you have just admitted that you can live in a poor area without being on government assistance!  What was the point you were trying to make when you cited fancy cars in the ghetto as "proof" of fraud and abuse?

We'll straighten this out right now.

I have said that poor areas of town have more people on government assistance than other areas ? Do you agree with that ? YES or NO is the only reply that is needed.

No, I think your argument for disallowing food that's too cheap (at the same time you are citing fraudulent criminal activity as proof that food stamp recipients have it too good) is the one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard.

Being you must be a hard life !!!
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« Reply #106 on: September 24, 2012, 05:44:38 pm »

It's all I could come up with after my eyeballs rolled so far back in their head while reading your statement about birth control. Then dropping the Race Card bullshit all in the same reply?

Comedic. Gold.



Yea, it's pretty comedic that you would have to bring up race in a thread that no one has even mentioned race. Really shows how people act at the mere thought that their entitlements might be threatened, true colors really come out. Don't worry Buddha, they ain't gonna change the food stamps, it was just a hypothetical example.
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« Reply #107 on: September 24, 2012, 05:49:37 pm »

There are certainly racial implications when talking about food stamps, especially when you're painting a picture of some thug with a grill.  I suppose it could be a white thug with a grill, but that's not really the image that comes to mind for most.
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« Reply #108 on: September 24, 2012, 06:14:55 pm »

There are certainly racial implications when talking about food stamps, especially when you're painting a picture of some thug with a grill.  I suppose it could be a white thug with a grill, but that's not really the image that comes to mind for most.
^^^That's bullshit Dave, no one said anything about brown people except Buddha. And no one said anything about a thug with a grill. Not even close. Nice cars, nice clothes, nikes, and bling is not relegated to thugs with grills or "brown" people.
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« Reply #109 on: September 24, 2012, 06:22:30 pm »

I am a registered Democrat that has found more common ground under the Republican party as I have gotten older and opened myself up. You have no idea how far I have come to say that. Prior to George W. getting elected I thought my Republican relatives were absolutely racist and biased and I would argue to no ends.  I think it's really funny how much a person can change in 10-15 years ... that's for sure.  But the funny thing is I really haven't changed that much. I feel I see things differently but still want the same things for the most part.

I was born again in 1997. Prior to that I was, what I call, a non practicing Christian. Obviously I didn't think that's what I was at the time but I was.  Anyway, I supported gay whatever, I was for a women's right to choose, and generally felt that if it didn't directly affect anyone else, then go for it. It wasn't until years later that I changed my perspective on each of these things.
I humbly suggest that (by your own account) your opinion of Republicans shifting within one presidential term of being born again is no coincidence.
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« Reply #110 on: September 24, 2012, 06:31:51 pm »

If they didn't buy all there stuff with money, where did it come from ?
You don't even know that they are the person that bought it (particularly with cars).

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I guess you think people that milk the taxpayers should be buying $150 shoes in the first place ?
No, I'm saying that if you give someone $100 to spend on shoes, and they choose to buy one $100 pair instead of four $25 pairs, that does not magically mean that they are somehow no longer poor.  The only thing you can tell about a person wearing $100 shoes is that their income is at least $100.

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How can you justify buying luxury items over food and then asking the taxpayers to feed the person.
Let me know when you can legally buy shoes or cars with food stamps and I'll get back to you on that.

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I have said that poor areas of town have more people on government assistance than other areas ? Do you agree with that ? YES or NO is the only reply that is needed.
Sure.  But that has absolutely nothing to do with your pointless complaint about luxury cars in the ghetto.

^^^That's bullshit Dave, no one said anything about brown people except Buddha. And no one said anything about a thug with a grill. Not even close. Nice cars, nice clothes, nikes, and bling is not relegated to thugs with grills or "brown" people.
Yeah, just because I bash rapping, basketball-playing, baby-momma-having, platinum-grill-wearing thugs with $150 Nike sneakers and Escalades on 22" spinners, why are you making this into a race thing?  I could be talking about whites or Asians, you know.
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« Reply #111 on: September 24, 2012, 07:37:37 pm »

You don't even know that they are the person that bought it (particularly with cars).

Doesn't matter who bought the car. It's a known widespread scam where I am, the people that do it even brag about it sometimes. End of discussion.

No, I'm saying that if you give someone $100 to spend on shoes, and they choose to buy one $100 pair instead of four $25 pairs, that does not magically mean that they are somehow no longer poor.  The only thing you can tell about a person wearing $100 shoes is that their income is at least $100.

People on welfare shouldn't have the money for $100 shoes, if they do, it should have been spent on food.

Let me know when you can legally buy shoes or cars with food stamps and I'll get back to you on that.
That shit doesn't even make sense. If you can afford luxury items you can afford food, simple as that. If you are stupid enough to buy non essential items before food you deserve to go hungry.

Sure.  But that has absolutely nothing to do with your pointless complaint about luxury cars in the ghetto.
I knew you didn't have the self control to answer just yes or no, so sad.......

Yeah, just because I bash rapping, basketball-playing, baby-momma-having, platinum-grill-wearing thugs with $150 Nike sneakers and Escalades on 22" spinners, why are you making this into a race thing?  I could be talking about whites or Asians, you know.

You are so full of shit. I don't recall anything about rapping, basketball, platinum grills, thugs. The only thing I've said is baby momma and nike sneakers and neither are exclusive to any race. It's always the people that play the race card that are the biggest bigots, go look in the mirror. Better yet go get you some food stamps since you like 'em so much, from the taxpayers to spider , you're welcome, enjoy.....................
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« Reply #112 on: September 24, 2012, 08:01:55 pm »

This thread is nothing but a political smoke screen. To the original question, yeas and no. Our government did not go out and create a dependency class.
It helped create the factors that allowed others to melt our economy down and drive more people onto unemployment and food stamps.
Lets address the actual factors that have helped cause this dilemma. Lets address Social Security, Medicare, and Defense which are sucking up the majority of our federal budget.
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« Reply #113 on: September 24, 2012, 08:10:48 pm »

 
^^^That's bullshit Dave, no one said anything about brown people except Buddha. And no one said anything about a thug with a grill. Not even close. Nice cars, nice clothes, nikes, and bling is not relegated to thugs with grills or "brown" people.

They are called dog whistles and it is an age old tactic.  They are non-specific, but implied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
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« Reply #114 on: September 24, 2012, 08:14:23 pm »


They are called dog whistles and it is an age old tactic.  They are non-specific, but implied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Hence my post that this is nothing more than another example of distraction politics. it is designed to divide. Heavy on analogy and anecdotal evidence, then applied liberally to the whole group.
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« Reply #115 on: September 24, 2012, 08:25:45 pm »


They are called dog whistles and it is an age old tactic.  They are non-specific, but implied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

That's crazy talk, you people are off your damn rockers....
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« Reply #116 on: September 24, 2012, 11:31:32 pm »

I don't recall anything about rapping, basketball, platinum grills, thugs. The only thing I've said is baby momma and nike sneakers and neither are exclusive to any race.
So far, here are the keywords you have used in this thread:

"Lincoln/Cadillac/Luxury SUV"
"expensive silly looking shiny wheels"
"$150 Nikes"
"gold teeth"
"baby daddy"
"baby momma"
"bling"
"Kool-Aid"

Now, if you're going to sit here and pretend that all of those terms are totally race-neutral, then you might as well go all out and pretend that rapping and playing basketball don't imply race, either.  I mean, there are Asian rappers!  There are white NBA players!  So surely all of those attributes are perfectly race agnostic.

Your use of dog-whistle code words is neither innovative nor ambiguous.
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« Reply #117 on: September 24, 2012, 11:37:27 pm »

^ Exactly.

You didn't give examples of people getting food stamps, while still spending all of their money on Nascar collector plates, hunting rifles, and sushi.

Look, this thread is in the toilet, and nobody is calling you a racist (at least I'm not), but you are (whether you realize it or not) turning this into a racially-charged discussion by using code-words.  Even if you don't recognize you're doing it...you are.
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« Reply #118 on: September 25, 2012, 01:46:14 am »

^ Exactly.

You didn't give examples of people getting food stamps, while still spending all of their money on Nascar collector plates, hunting rifles, and sushi.

Look, this thread is in the toilet, and nobody is calling you a racist (at least I'm not), but you are (whether you realize it or not) turning this into a racially-charged discussion by using code-words.  Even if you don't recognize you're doing it...you are.

Where I grew up everyone on food stamps was white.
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« Reply #119 on: September 25, 2012, 03:02:48 am »

Badger, the chances of me being needing food stamps are pretty fucking low. I have no kids, am college educated (possibly getting my masters!), and grew up upper middle class. My dad owns a very successful business as well and some property. If shit hit the fan, I'm sure I'd find a way to make things work. I have NEVER been on any sort of public assistance.

I just like to call things as I see them. You are using ridiculously coded language. 
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