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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2012, 03:30:33 pm »

I'm saying that your story is bullshit. That's all, brah.

No worries, it's all good at the end of the day I won't lose any sleep over it.  Wink
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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2012, 03:50:16 pm »

Any time anyone wants to meet me in small town Sanford, Florida I will drive you through the projects, low income areas. If we see less than a dozen autos not worth over $40,000 I will kiss your butt.
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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2012, 03:54:13 pm »

^^ tempting! Wink
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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2012, 04:01:11 pm »

^^ tempting! Wink
I would actually have fun taking you Brian ... but you can't drive that fast in there because  the roads are very narrow. You like to drive fast!

About 10 years ago I took a pastor friend of mine, as well a missionary from New Tribes mission. The pastor was from Brimingham and wanted to see how bad it is. Lol ... he couldn't get out of there fast enough.  It scared the crap out of him.

A lot of it has been condemned and closed down but there are still enough rough areas to get the point across.   
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« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2012, 04:09:37 pm »

Any time anyone wants to meet me in small town Sanford, Florida I will drive you through the projects, low income areas. If we see less than a dozen autos not worth over $40,000 I will kiss your butt.

That doesn't mean they were bought with food stamps.  Odds are if you see a $40,000 car in the slums the guy is either a pimp, john, or drug dealer. 
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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2012, 04:15:13 pm »

That doesn't mean they were bought with food stamps.  Odds are if you see a $40,000 car in the slums the guy is either a pimp, john, or drug dealer. 
I didn't say they were. I'm just saying lot's of very nice cars in low income housing. I can say I know guys who are in construction driving nice cars while their baby mommas are on welfare. In fact I bet its probably pretty common now a days to not get married for that reason.
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« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2012, 04:16:02 pm »

1) When he handed them to the cashier they caught my eye beacuse it was not cash and at first I thought it was like foreign money or something. I don't remember what they said exactly but they were in fact food stamps.
So you're saying that they handed over paper bills, and not a card?

Because if they were paper bills, and this event occurred after 2001, they were not food stamps.  Congress mandated that all food stamp programs convert to electronic cards in 2001.
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« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2012, 04:16:33 pm »

Any time anyone wants to meet me in small town Sanford, Florida I will drive you through the projects, low income areas. If we see less than a dozen autos not worth over $40,000 I will kiss your butt.

Is that where all the NBA guys are retiring to? Cheesy Grin

 If I come all the way down there to see you,hang out with you...I don't want to go to the hood.

 
And perhaps they can.  This stuff sneaks up on you quickly.  Also, perhaps they can't get fair market value and would be taking a considerable net loss on the vehicle, further damaging their long term prospects.  Or perhaps they are upside down on the vehicle and the amount they owe is more than they can sell it for.

I don't really know.  But I know they aren't deadbeats looking for a handout.

This is to Brian,and Dave...Buying a beater,might also being buying someone else's money pit.Gas guzzler,that might cost in fuel...You might give up a valuable reliable car,and be worse off than if you kept what you had.
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« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2012, 04:36:33 pm »

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 If I come all the way down there to see you,hang out with you...I don't want to go to the hood.

Don't worry. I'd take you to Osteen where it's very Redneck friendly!!  And of course a Dolphin game!!!
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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2012, 04:50:12 pm »

Any time anyone wants to meet me in small town Sanford, Florida I will drive you through the projects, low income areas. If we see less than a dozen autos not worth over $40,000 I will kiss your butt.
I lived in the poorest area of my town when I bought my twin-turbo convertible sportscar.  That doesn't mean that I was on government assistance.  It just means I enjoyed my cheap rent.
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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2012, 05:43:40 pm »

I would actually have fun taking you Brian ... but you can't drive that fast in there because  the roads are very narrow. You like to drive fast!

About 10 years ago I took a pastor friend of mine, as well a missionary from New Tribes mission. The pastor was from Brimingham and wanted to see how bad it is. Lol ... he couldn't get out of there fast enough.  It scared the crap out of him.

A lot of it has been condemned and closed down but there are still enough rough areas to get the point across.   

I know the exact are you are talking about. I had a friend doing remodeling work back there and the owner wouldn't let him work until dark (which is not uncommon for those guys).
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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2012, 03:23:49 pm »

Funny since those are also the states that vote Republican.

Ok, and your point is ?

The notion of people driving to pick up Medicaid prescriptions in a BMW is a popular conservative myth, originated by Ronald Reagan's "Cadillac-driving welfare queens" stories in the '80s.  There is no basis in fact for these tales of horror, and simple logic (link) contradicts their validity.

Now, I suppose you could argue that when one loses one's job, instead of applying for unemployment and/or other government assistance, you should immediately proceed to selling your house and your car, move to the ghetto, and buy a '93 Escort.  I don't know that that would be the wisest long-term solution (particularly given that as a working taxpayer, you paid into these programs for years), but I guess you could do it.

No, it's not a myth. I see it on an ongoing regular basis and have seen it for years. They just multiply like roaches and never get married and milk the system dry. You don't have to own the car or be on the title to use and drive the vehicle. Hell, go to a colorful area of town and see the expensive vehicles that cost more the house they are parked in front of. Not to mention those expensive silly looking shiny wheels they have on them.

The problem of that receipt is on the store owners and not the recipients. That store wanted to increase profits, so it illegally takes in food stamps for items not covered by food stamp( i.e. the basics.) Of course you ignore this simple fact because then that means business owners are also a main cause of the problem but since they tend to vote GOP the right cannot attack them for their crimes and greed.

Obviously you don't know that there are no restricted food item on the program. According to the USDA Food and Nutrition Services website, prohibited items include alcohol such as beer, wine or liquor; tobacco products such as cigarettes; non-food items such as cleaners or paper products; pet supplies; over-the-counter medicine or vitamins; food that is meant for on-site consumption; and all hot foods. So it's not the retailers fault if the clowns in the government let bums, freeloaders, and "baby mommas" with multiple kids and unknown "baby daddy" eat steak and lobster while the rest of working America eats what they can afford


Also you use anecdotal evidence of Cadillac drivers using stamps. Even though this does not apply to the majority of users, you continually broadcast it out as the truth about the whole. I grew up in a rural area that had high unemployment( well over 10% in the 80's) and I never once saw the people using food stamps ever leave or arrive in a nice vehicle.
The problem with people selling food stamps? Once again you have businesses who will take food stamps to make profit without insuring that they are not being used illegally.
So at least a couple of the major problems with how food stamps are being used can be combated by vigorously going after the business owners who are enabling the illegal uses of food stamps. Good luck ever getting the GOP to go after those criminals. Poor people do not have a lobby to defend them.

No, YOU are WRONG. It is not anecdotal, it is actually what I have personally seen and witnessed for myself. And again it is not illegal to buy steak and lobster on food stamps. It should be, that is the problem.

Pure supposition and blatantly false.  The underlying assumption of this statement is that over half of the population of the United States is using food stamps.  Do you really believe that, Mitt?

There is no correlation between obesity and food stamps.  This is utterly ridiculous.

NO CORRELATION ? Ummmm, ok. A quick Google search would suggest otherwise.

>>>>>>>>see here-
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/foodstamp.htm


The demographic charts would also suggest otherwise.





The #1 state in both obesity and food stamps. Drum roll please..................Missi ssippi.

The only thing that is utterly ridiculous is the people in this country that refuse to admit to the problems that need to be fixed.
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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2012, 05:29:53 pm »

Pure supposition and blatantly false.  The underlying assumption of this statement is that over half of the population of the United States is using food stamps.  Do you really believe that, Mitt?

There is no correlation between obesity and food stamps.  This is utterly ridiculous.

Actually there is correlation.  However, the claim that is often implied is there is causation.  That food stamps is giving people so much food they are becoming obese.  This is false and utterly ridiculous. 

 
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« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2012, 06:01:14 pm »

Actually there is correlation.  However, the claim that is often implied is there is causation.  That food stamps is giving people so much food they are becoming obese.  This is false and utterly ridiculous. 

 

That is not my implication. They are fat asses because of what they eat. $20 worth of grilled chicken and broccoli is going to have a different effect than $20 worth of Captain Crunch, Kool Aid, and Doritos. As far as I'm concerned there is a difference between starving and being hungry. Absent of a medical problem, there shouldn't be that many obese people on food stamps, but there are. Feed them enough of certain healthy low cost foods to survive. Make it uncomfortable and not fun to be on food stamps. You would probably kill 2 birds with one stone by helping them be healthier in the long run and save the taxpayers money on the free healthcare that they are forced to provide to the people that are too lazy and unmotivated to feed and take care of themselves.....
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« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2012, 06:55:34 pm »

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No, YOU are WRONG. It is not anecdotal, it is actually what I have personally seen and witnessed for myself

That's the definition of an anecdotal evidence.

And hoodie is right. Correlation exists. But not causation.
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