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fyo
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 02:26:03 am »

Look, the simple thing is you can't expect a kicker to make a 48-yard field goal. You'd like to, and kickers today hit those over half the time, but the plain truth is that about one in seven games, even a good kicker is going to miss TWO of those kicks.

As for Mare... he was just beyond awful. Look at his hit rate compared to league average (by distance): http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/02/2007-kicker-ranking.html

2007 was his first year NOT playing for the Dolphins... and he was (by a huge margin) the worst kicker in the league. And his replacement just happened to be the best (by a small margin).

Considering that Carpenter had no problems booming kicks out of the end zone, bringing up Mare just seems misplaced.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 08:13:30 am »

Good point on the pressure kicks. I can't answer your question, but would like to know myself. If I remember correctly he hit some game winners in 2009, his best year.

What, if anything, that bothers me about the 2 misses Sunday is they were both identical misses. If you miss to the right, don't you make a slight adjustment???

Oddly enough, the Fins got rid of Olindo Mare because of his short kickoffs (or so I have read), and now the NFL moved the KO spot up 5 yards. lol

They didn't get rid of Olindo Mare because of his short kickoffs.  They got rid of him because he suddenly wasn't making field goals anymore.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 08:41:52 pm »

Look, the simple thing is you can't expect a kicker to make a 48-yard field goal. You'd like to, and kickers today hit those over half the time, but the plain truth is that about one in seven games, even a good kicker is going to miss TWO of those kicks.


I expect a kicker to make a 48 yard FG 8 times out of 10, at least on the conditions from Sunday.. Distance was not the problem.....plenty of leg, no wind (I saw the flags on the GP). Missed both the same way, no adjustment. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2012, 01:57:41 am »

I expect a kicker to make a 48 yard FG 8 times out of 10, at least on the conditions from Sunday.

Except kickers in the NFL aren't as accurate as that (on average, anyway -- there are way too few kicks for each individual kicker to give any certain statistics). That's what I'm saying. We, and that includes me, have an inflated belief in what they hit. What kicks are about 50 yards, kickers today miss around 40% of the time.
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2012, 01:23:33 pm »

^^Actually I think Carpenter would pretty much agree that he should make 8 out 10 from 40-50 in good field conditions. That doesn't mean he's going to do it, it just means that he believes he can. Go look at his comments following the game, he knows that he let the team down, but that's how NFL go. It's not like Tannehill doesn't believe he shouldn't have thrown a pick 6 and Armstrong doesn't think he shouldn't have dropped a couple passes, etc etc. And if he makes 7 out 7 from 40-50 from here on out he can still do it, but he'll never get those 2 kicks back. Nothing you can do but move on.
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2012, 05:19:18 pm »

Kickers make about 50% of their kicks between 45 and 50 yards, better than 80% of their kicks inside the 40

Wannstadt and Tony Sparano (a.k.a. Wannstadt II) loved to get down to the 30, in long FG range, then hand the ball off to the RB right into the line. I don't think Philbin wants to be mentioned in same breath with those guys.

You play to win, you want to get closer than a 48 yard FG.
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