Preseason stats

[CF DolFan]

Just my random thought of the uselessness of criticizing preseason.

I think we had a thread around here somewhere but I couldn't find it. People were complaining about our pass happy offense and the lack of a run game in the preseason.  The reason I thought of this is how we are so the opposite during the season.  Turns out we have one of the best running games in the league but didn't show it in preseason. 

Coach Philbin said he felt we had a pretty good run defense and saw what they did against them in practice so the run game never concerned him.  If that is so, I have to wonder how much of some of his decisions this year are only for paving the way for next year


 

[Brian Fein]

Our o-line sucked monkey balls in preseason too, and they seem to have improved each week since then.

[MikeO]

Look at RGIII's preseason stats and compare them to his first 3 real NFL games.

Game. Set. Match. The preseason is worthless to judge things by

[EKnight]

Look at RGIII's preseason stats and compare them to his first 3 real NFL games.

Game. Set. Match. The preseason is worthless to judge things by

Game. Set. Match. off of one player? A srudy group of n=1 isn't very convincing. Couldn't I just as easily point to the Pats going 1-3 in the preseason, with EVERYONE saying, "Oh, they won't do that when real games start" and now sitting at 1-2 and say, "Well, that's Game. Set. Match. Preseason clearly means something."? It isn't that black and white. Throughout the preseason, Tannehill showed a proclivity for staring down receivers and getting balls tipped. He's still doing that. The running game was non-existant, and now it's the team's strongest point. Not black and white at all. The preseason is still an indicator of tendancies and things to look for in many cases. -EK

[MikeO]

Game. Set. Match. off of one player?

You gave Ryan Tannehill 2 whole quarters before calling him a "BUST." At least I gave RGIII 4 preseason games and 3 regular season games before making this accurate spot on point of how preseason games are meaningless. Oh, want more examples. Your "man crush" Quinton Coples, had a monster preseason, now he has a whopping 4 tackles in 3 games and is quiet as a mouse on the field. Cam Newton last year was horrible in the preseason, downright awful and he had a monster regular season, rookie of the year. I could go on and on with these endless examples.

The preseason is still an indicator of tendancies and things to look for in many cases. -EK

Arizona was 1-4 in the preseason. Now they are 3-0.  You were saying!

[EKnight]

For the love if God stop the BS with Tannehill. Get it straight- I said he was a bust BEFORE he was drafted. He was not impressive in college, and he's not impressive now. Stop changing MY point of view to fit YOUR argument. All you did with the other examples was prove my point- for every example you give that stats are meaningless, I can give one that shows correlation (CJ2K comes to mind- sucked in the preseason, still sucks). Since there are examples for both, it's not cut and dry, black and white, no matter how much you want it to be. -EK

[MikeO]

For the love if God stop the BS with Tannehill. Get it straight- I said he was a bust BEFORE he was drafted.

ha ha ha, that makes it even worse!! Calling a guy a bust before he even plays!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[EKnight]

How is that worse? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Three years from now when Miami is once again looking for a QB, we'll see how wrong I am. Do a Google search for "Ryan Tannehill" and "bust" and you'll see there's only a few thousand people who agree with me. Bust before he even got drafted. I mean let's be for real- Brian Billick compared his bust likelihood to JaMarcus Russell. And Yahoo Sports said they wouldn't be surprised if he’s out of the league in five years. But you keep drinking that Kool Aid. -EK

[MikeO]

How is that worse? Just because you disagree with it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Three years from now when Miami is once again looking for a QB, we'll see how wrong I am. Do a Google search for "Ryan Tannehill" and "bust" and you'll see there's only a few thousand people who agree with me. Bust before he even got drafted. -EK

Calling a player a BUST before he even plays one snap is just flat out silly and dumb! It really is. You don't like the guy, we all get it. You can hate the pick, disagree with the pick, say you think he will fail and this was a mistake. Those are logical to say and fair. To say he is a BUST before he even plays is  the epitome of dumb!

And you are standing by a Google search and finding others who support your stance? I can do a Google search on the most of the wall thing out there, do a Google search on NAMBLA and you will find people who agree with that lifestyle, that doesn't make them right!    You can find anyone or any group of people to agree with anything on Google.

[EKnight]

Calling a player a BUST before he even plays one snap is just flat out silly and dumb! It really is. You don't like the guy, we all get it. You can hate the pick, disagree with the pick, say you think he will fail and this was a mistake. Those are logical to say and fair. To say he is a BUST before he even plays is  the epitome of dumb!

And you are standing by a Google search and finding others who support your stance? I can do a Google search on the most of the wall thing out there, do a Google search on NAMBLA and you will find people who agree with that lifestyle, that doesn't make them right!    You can find anyone or any group of people to agree with anything on Google.

Soooo...let me be clear, here. A former SUper Bowl winning coach and several sports writers- guys who get paid to voice their opinions- all are "flat out silly and dumb" because they disagree with you? Because they ALL said Tannehill was going to be a bust, as did a scout for the Bears. Apparently, everyone in the league excpet Miami lunatics saw it. What's it like to live in such delusion, convinced that anyone who disagrees with you- no matter how much more knowledgeable- is wrong? -EK

[MikeO]

Soooo...let me be clear, here. A former SUper Bowl winning coach and several sports writers- guys who get paid to voice their opinions- all are "flat out silly and dumb" because they disagree with you? Because they ALL said Tannehill was going to be a bust, as did a scout for the Bears. Apparently, everyone in the league excpet Miami lunatics saw it. What's it like to live in such delusion, convinced that anyone who disagrees with you- no matter how much more knowledgeable- is wrong? -EK

Find me a link where any "respected coach, scout, or player" called him a BUST before playing 1 game. I will wait.

Until you provide a link from a reputable source with the words from soeone respected saying "Ryan Tannehll will be a BUST" you are just making stuff up

P.S...Kurt Warner and Trent Dilfer have said just 2 weeks ago that Tannehill has the highest upside of any QB drafted this year and will be a very good NFL QB. Are they respected? Do their opinions count? Do they NOT know what they are talking about? Do they live in a state of delusion? And I can provide links to both of their comments. We will wait for you to provide links to back up your claims....

[EKnight]

Find me a link where any "respected coach, scout, or player" called him a BUST before playing 1 game. I will wait.

Until you provide a link from a reputable source with the words from soeone respected saying "Ryan Tannehll will be a BUST" you are just making stuff up

While I'm SURE any source I post will be considered, "not reputable" here's a few for starters:

1. "Ryan Tannehill: The Next Big Bust": http://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/ryan_tannehill_the_next_big_bust/10548916

2. Athlon Sports "2012 NFL Draft Busts: Ryan Tannehill and Dontari Poe":
http://www.athlonsports.com/nfl/2012-nfl-draft-busts-ryan-tannehill-and-dontari-poe

3. Yahoo Sports: "Which highly touted offensive prospect is most likely to be a bust?
While I understand the fascination with Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill because of his raw skills and unlimited upside, I think there also are plenty of risks associated with using a first-round pick on a quarterback who's relatively unpolished. That he threw 15 interceptions last season also give me cause for concern. I wouldn't be surprised if Tannehill develops into an exceptional quarterback. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in five years."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--who-will-and-won-t-live-up-to-their-draft-hype--here-are-our-picks.html

4. "2012 NFL Draft Bust Factor: Ryan Tannehill"
http://tampabay.sbnation.com/miami-dolphins/2012/5/3/2996721/ryan-tannehill-nfl-draft-2012-bust-factor

5. NFL Draft: Is Ryan Tannehill the Next Ryan Leaf?
http://www.collegemagazine.com/editorial/2554/NFL-Draft-Is-Ryan-Tannehill-the-Next-Ryan-Leaf

6. Brian Billick: Ryan Tannehill reminds of highly rated QB JaMarcus Russell:

"This has a classic miss on it," Billick said on "Mike & Mike" this morning. "And it has nothing to do with Ryan Tannehill. He is an intriguing prospect. He has great potential. He reminds me -- and I don't mean to put this in a negative connotation -- a little of JaMarcus Russell, in terms of obviously [he has] tremendous physical skills and could blossom into something. But in terms of the amount of time he's played and the numbers are very similar. The way he's rushed up the charts concerns me a great deal. Need is a terrible evaluator."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/18500346/brian-billick-ryan-tannehill-reminds-of-highly-rated-qb-jamarcus-russell

Really? Classic Miss? Compared to Super-busts Russell and Leaf isn't enough?

Still making stuff up? Can't wait to hear your biased spin on this. -EK
 

[MikeO]

Yardbarker don't count. It's is Bleacher Report 2.0. Plus the "fan" didn't even put his name on the story. Can't count it with no name on the story.

Yahoo story has no name attached to it at all. Doesn't count! Could be some lunatic like you who said it.

So you have Brian Billick as your lone back-up to your stance. A guy who once drafted KYLE BOLLER and sang his praises. Pretty weak. Not to mention Billick on NFL.com last week said Miami LOST to the Raiders. He doesn't even know what's going on in the league!

I will go with Kurt Warner, Bill Polian, Trent Dilfer, and the laundry list of others who say Tannehill isn't a bust.  While you and Brian Billick go on and on about how Tannehill is a bust.

[Landshark]

Find me a link where any "respected coach, scout, or player" called him a BUST before playing 1 game. I will wait.

Until you provide a link from a reputable source with the words from soeone respected saying "Ryan Tannehll will be a BUST" you are just making stuff up

P.S...Kurt Warner and Trent Dilfer have said just 2 weeks ago that Tannehill has the highest upside of any QB drafted this year and will be a very good NFL QB. Are they respected? Do their opinions count? Do they NOT know what they are talking about? Do they live in a state of delusion? And I can provide links to both of their comments. We will wait for you to provide links to back up your claims....

Speaking of delusion, I remember EK also stating that the Jet's made a "solid move" to fix their "worst offensive problem" by getting Tim Tebow.  I wonder how that's working out?

[MikeO]

Speaking of delusion, I remember EK also stating that the Jet's made a "solid move" to fix their "worst offensive problem" by getting Tim Tebow.  I wonder how that's working out?

ha ha ha, I forgot about that one! Yeah, and how is Tim Tebow in EK's world a "TOP 10 NFL QB" and "A ONE IN A MILLION TALENT" yet he is backing up another loser in Mark Sanchez and has become the punchline of jokes in NFL circles, not to mention he was traded for a 4th round pick (Top 10 QB for a 4th round pick..lol). But somehow Ryan Tannehill before taking 1 NFL snap is a "bust"

The logic is so flawed, silly, and dumb it has become comical! Well, every village needs one i guess. EK is ours.