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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2012, 04:13:05 pm »

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I agree that what Romney said last night was the most sensible and rational I've ever heard him.  But it's just not the tune he's been playing since he started running.

This is off of Mitt Romney's own website: "Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates" http://www.mittromney.com/issues/tax

You can't claim you'll cut taxes for everybody and then get to the debate and say you won't cut taxes for the wealthy.  That's the whole issue.  What he is saying at the debate is not the same he's been saying all along up to the debate.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2012, 04:15:42 pm »

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Romney said. “I will eliminate all programs by this test: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it? And if not, I'll get rid of it. Obamacare's on my list. ... I'm sorry, Jim, I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS. I'm going to stop other things. I like PBS.


Nice sound bite.  Real short on details.


Okay, so we got two items.  The afordable health care act and PBS.  That is not going to balance the budget.  What else is on that test?  Military? Social Security? The FDA? 
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2012, 04:16:23 pm »

So his plan is to get rid of Obama's health plan and kill PBS? Got it.



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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2012, 04:16:53 pm »

I thought it was pretty self explanatory but maybe you weren't paying attention.

I won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. That's part one. So there's no economist can say Mitt Romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if I say I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan.

Number two, I will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. I know that you and your running mate keep saying that, and I know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. . . . I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans.

(Don’t reduce the share of taxes paid by the wealthiest. The top 5% will still pay the same share of taxes they pay today,” Romney said. The top 5% income earners pay approximately 60% of all taxes.) - this is another quote from him in an earlier interview.

And number three, I will not, under any circumstances, raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families.


That’s really all there is to it. Romney claims that he’ll keep taxes the same for the rich; cut taxes for everyone else and not add to the deficit.

How will he balance the budget?

In short Romney wants to create an environment that affords business to grow so it can employ more people. Adding more employed people adds to the tax base which in turns adds more dollars to the federal coffers. Don’t raise taxes, raise more employed people.

The one thing Romney said last night summarizes how I feel is this ...I haven't had a raise in 5 years, have had my salary cut, and yet I pay more for everything. Although I haven't lost my job I am significantly lower than where I was 4 years ago as is most people. The tax relief I have gotten has not come close to helping make up the difference. I would gladly give it back to have the workforce pick back up so that the county could collect taxes so we would have money etc.




That explains nothing. This is generalizations. When pressed on how it is going to be implemented and the actual numbers, both Romney and Ryan waffle. They refuse to specifically spell out who will pay what, and what deductions will be removed to fund it.
This is what everyone wants to know, what is it going to cost, and what deductions are going away to make it work?
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2012, 04:19:10 pm »

That's funny coming from a group who's whole plan was "change and hope" 4 years ago.  I think that's a big issue for Obama now because unlike a professional wrestler or preacher, he can't just sling around cool terms. He has a record that he has to defend.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2012, 04:23:17 pm »

From what I have been reading Romney sounded good, but almost everything he said was a lie.  He will score short term points with those who judged on debate style but is getting hammered over his lies. 

I literally stopped watching about 10 minutes into the debate, because every time Romney opened his mouth, I found myself saying "bullshit" to the TV screen...

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2012, 04:27:02 pm »

Let me say that I am actually surprised that Romney had as much of an impact as he did. I mean I'm a true believer that most people are going to vote one way or the other regardless of the facts. It's that true middle group who both sides are fighting for. That goes for both sides.  Today I had lunch with a very good democratic atheist friend who I'd say is upper middle class. While he hasn't flopped he came away very open to Romney's ideas and I would have bet money he would have been one of the ones who didn't hear a thing said last night.

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According to a CNN/ORC International survey conducted right after the debate, 67 percent of debate watchers questioned said that the Republican nominee won the faceoff, with one in four saying that President Obama was victorious.

"No presidential candidate has topped 60 percent in that question since it was first asked in 1984," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

But nearly half of debate watchers said the showdown didn't make them more likely to vote for either candidate. Thirty-five percent said the debate made them more likely to vote for Romney while only 18 percent said the faceoff made them more likely to vote to re-elect the president.

More than six in ten said that president did worse than expected. That was compared to the 82 percent who said that Romney performed better than expected. Only one in ten felt that the former Massachusetts governor performed worse than expected.


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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2012, 04:41:03 pm »

What are all these lies that Romney told last night ? Anybody ?
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2012, 04:42:19 pm »


Run the tape back, and place quotation marks around each instance where Romney spoke...
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2012, 05:08:55 pm »

Run the tape back, and place quotation marks around each instance where Romney spoke...

LOL, I could say that about all politicians. But seriously, can anyone point to "specific" lies told ?
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2012, 06:59:56 pm »

It's not that I'm concerned about lies.  It's about positions that change day to day.

He is on the stump talking about cutting tax rates across the board by 20%.
Then he claims he won't cut taxes for the wealthy.
 
Which is it?  And why is it that we aren't sure?   You can't just change it up at the debate and say something else before and after.
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2012, 07:33:05 pm »

^^

I agree that what Romney said last night was the most sensible and rational I've ever heard him.  But it's just not the tune he's been playing since he started running.

This is off of Mitt Romney's own website: "Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates" http://www.mittromney.com/issues/tax

You can't claim you'll cut taxes for everybody and then get to the debate and say you won't cut taxes for the wealthy.  That's the whole issue.  What he is saying at the debate is not the same he's been saying all along up to the debate.

Not a tax person, but, I don't believe marginal tax rates are the same thing as tax brackets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rate#Marginal
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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2012, 07:35:16 pm »

Run the tape back, and place quotation marks around each instance where Romney spoke...

Yeah, cuz even if everything he said had a mathematical proof of its truth, you'd be moved.

Give us a break. You have to be rational and open-minded for your opinion to even count. You're as dogmatic as they come.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2012, 07:48:45 pm »

It's not that I'm concerned about lies.  It's about positions that change day to day.

He is on the stump talking about cutting tax rates across the board by 20%.
Then he claims he won't cut taxes for the wealthy.
 
Which is it?  And why is it that we aren't sure?   You can't just change it up at the debate and say something else before and after.

From what I heard is that he would cut actual taxes on everyone and lower the exemptions, deductions, and loopholes so that it evens out to everyone still paying the about the same. But I could be wrong.
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2012, 08:11:06 pm »

LOL, I could say that about all politicians. But seriously, can anyone point to "specific" lies told ?
Off the top of my head...
1) Obama's interpretation of Romneys plan
2) Obama saying companies get tax breaks for outsourcing to China
3) Obama saying that AARP supported Obamacare (they strongly denied that today)
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