Where should taxpayer funding stop?

[Spider-Dan]

And abortion should be included in that care ? That's just silly. If people are not trying to have a child when having sex, then that sex is nothing but a recreational activity. If the government is going to pay for results that kind of recreational activity. Then maybe they can pay peoples mortgages and light bills when they spend all their money on lottery tickets, going to the casino, or smoking crack. All of which are recreational activities.

So basically, if you are injured while, say, playing basketball, government healthcare services should not apply?  How about if you get in a car accident on the way to a baseball game?  Certainly government-funded lifeguards would be completely pointless, right?

Is it only certain types of recreational activities that should be punished?

And while we're on the subject of "recreational activity," do you believe that men who are receiving health coverage to pay for Viagra should be required to produce a pregnancy or report to a fertility doctor to continue receiving their prescription?  I mean, if you aren't producing children, it's strictly recreational, right?

[badger6]

So basically, if you are injured while, say, playing basketball, government healthcare services should not apply?  How about if you get in a car accident on the way to a baseball game?  Certainly government-funded lifeguards would be completely pointless, right?

Is it only certain types of recreational activities that should be punished?

And while we're on the subject of "recreational activity," do you believe that men who are receiving health coverage to pay for Viagra should be required to produce a pregnancy or report to a fertility doctor to continue receiving their prescription?  I mean, if you aren't producing children, it's strictly recreational, right?

So given that, you should also agree that they should also pay for someones bills when they spend their money on recreational activities, casinos, drugs, lotteries, etc. The basic premise is that the government is financially covering for someones lack of responsibility during risky recreational activities. And no, I think that you shouldn't be participating in risky physical activities if you cannot pay for the results of your actions. As far as Viagra goes, if private insurance wants to cover it, it's their decision. Sex shouldn't be a government entitlement and shouldn't be covered by gubment healthcare and taxpayer money. You can twist it however you want to, your agenda is clear. They're not asking for a hand, just a handout.....

[Spider-Dan]

Well, first off, let's be clear about what we're talking about: providing medical care to people.

That being said, if you're an illegal immigrant crackhead who injured himself while drunk driving and you need emergency medical care, the Supreme Court has determined that the government will provide emergency care for free.

So until you are willing to endorse a medical system in which every request for care is accompanied by an explanation of what you were doing to need such care (up to and including "Did you really need to be driving to that concert?"), I'm going to label attempts to exclude female reproductive healthcare as purely political.

[badger6]

Well, first off, let's be clear about what we're talking about: providing medical care to people.

That being said, if you're an illegal immigrant crackhead who injured himself while drunk driving and you need emergency medical care, the Supreme Court has determined that the government will provide emergency care for free.

So until you are willing to endorse a medical system in which every request for care is accompanied by an explanation of what you were doing to need such care (up to and including "Did you really need to be driving to that concert?"), I'm going to label attempts to exclude female reproductive healthcare as purely political.

No, we were talking about government funded abortion. Baring certain circumstances, abortion is neither health care or necessary. Most abortions are elective procedures and not medically necessary.

[Fau Teixeira]

I'm for government funded 100% free abortions to whomever wants them.  Statistics show that the less wanted a child is, the more likely they are to be a non productive member of society.

[Spider-Dan]

No, we were talking about government funded abortion. Baring certain circumstances, abortion is neither health care or necessary. Most abortions are elective procedures and not medically necessary.

Abortion is a medical procedure and has nothing to do with casino debts or mortgage payments.

If you want to try to argue that abortion is elective (and therefore unnecessary) but then argue that Viagra prescriptions ARE necessary, feel free.

[badger6]

I'm for government funded 100% free abortions to whomever wants them.  Statistics show that the less wanted a child is, the more likely they are to be a non productive member of society.

That is what makes you and your type part of the problem instead of part of the solution. 

[badger6]

Abortion is a medical procedure and has nothing to do with casino debts or mortgage payments.

If you want to try to argue that abortion is elective (and therefore unnecessary) but then argue that Viagra prescriptions ARE necessary, feel free.

They would both be the result of risky recreational behavior. They would both be unnecessary. And if the government hypothetically would cover the participant of one risky behavior, why not the other ?

You are twisting the subject again like usual. Private companies can cover whatever they want, it's their money. The government shouldn't cover either.

[Sunstroke]

That is what makes you and your type part of the problem instead of part of the solution. 

"You and your type"... Thanks for that vernacular stroll down memory lane. I had almost forgotten how ugly prejudice is in its naked form.

[badger6]

"You and your type"... Thanks for that vernacular stroll down memory lane. I had almost forgotten how ugly prejudice is in its naked form.

What does "you and your type" mean to you ? Prejudice against whom ? Seems to me you are making plenty of assumptions....

[Spider-Dan]

They would both be the result of risky recreational behavior. They would both be unnecessary.

I'm still waiting for you to answer this question:

Should government-provided health care be contingent on whether you need it because of recreational activities you were involved in?

[badger6]

I'm still waiting for you to answer this question:

Should government-provided health care be contingent on whether you need it because of recreational activities you were involved in?

An elective operations is not a need. Treatment due to injury is a need. All government paid healthcare should be based on need. So that's that.

If the government hypothetically would cover the participant of one risky behavior, why not the other ?

[Spider-Dan]

It sounds like you're saying that whether the activity is "recreational" or not doesn't matter.  It also sounds like you're saying that elective operations should not be covered.

Is that your position?

[badger6]

It sounds like you're saying that whether the activity is "recreational" or not doesn't matter.  It also sounds like you're saying that elective operations should not be covered.

Is that your position?

Are you a lawyer or something ? I have stated my position and you keep asking the same questions over and over. You just keep posting, spinning, and repeating the same questions until people get tired or or distracted and then you pick one word of their post and act like you are smarter than everyone on this site.

Elective procedures in general and that are a result of recreational activities should not be covered by the government. Twist and spin away....

[el diablo]

Because you're not understanding how all procedures are elective. "Need" is a relative term. Its easy to sit back and say that abortion is a result of irresponsible behavior. Or that its only an elective procedure. It is an elective to not want to carry the spawn of a rape or incest to term. Its narrow minded to think that the majority decide to abort in month 8 because they don't want to have a kid anymore.