Where should taxpayer funding stop?

[badger6]

Because you're not understanding how all procedures are elective. "Need" is a relative term. Its easy to sit back and say that abortion is a result of irresponsible behavior. Or that its only an elective procedure. It is an elective to not want to carry the spawn of a rape or incest to term. Its narrow minded to think that the majority decide to abort in month 8 because they don't want to have a kid anymore.

More word spinning, ha ha, classic. We are talking about medical care that is required for the health and well being of an individual, in other words, a "needed" procedure. On the other hand, and elective procedure is generally not required for the health and well being of the individual, it is a wanted procedure. Needs and wants are different things. I am specifically referring to the majority of abortions where the mother just decides that she doesn't want what her irresponsible behavior has caused. The issues of rape, incest, and pregnancy complications has not really been addressed here.

[el diablo]

Nor, is it addressed at all by those who wish to abolish abortion. The same people who ignore the instances where it is "needed". It is a legal medical procedure. When its not done in a medical environment, that makes it a health issue. In a perfect world, abortion would never be "needed". Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. I can respect the stance of "not wanting your tax dollars to go for what you don't want". But, I don't get that option either(ie: the Iraq war). I would much rather women taken care of, as opposed to them resorting to the proverbial coat hanger.

[badger6]

Nor, is it addressed at all by those who wish to abolish abortion. The same people who ignore the instances where it is "needed". It is a legal medical procedure. When its not done in a medical environment, that makes it a health issue. In a perfect world, abortion would never be "needed". Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. I can respect the stance of "not wanting your tax dollars to go for what you don't want". But, I don't get that option either(ie: the Iraq war). I would much rather women taken care of, as opposed to them resorting to the proverbial coat hanger.

I don't wish to abolish abortion whatsoever. However, we are creating a system that lets people get by doing the bare minimum. Not having to face reality and responsibility for their own actions and choices. Everyone Most on this site would have the government pay for birth control and abortions if they could. So now sex is a government entitlement with no responsibility from the participants ? Sorry, I will never agree with that, I'll leave that crazy shit talk to the loon birds.

[el diablo]

I don't wish to abolish abortion whatsoever. However, we are creating a system that lets people get by doing the bare minimum. Not having to face reality and responsibility for their own actions and choices. Everyone Most on this site would have the government pay for birth control and abortions if they could. So now sex is a government entitlement with no responsibility from the participants ? Sorry, I will never agree with that, I'll leave that crazy shit talk to the loon birds.

I'm glad you wouldn't want to abolish abortion. At the sane time, I don't agree with government "entitlements" being a lifestyle. I don't look at programs as mandates.  I can't look down on a single mom who gets a refund more than the taxes she paid, while GE pays no taxes. Then turn around and say to the single mom who can't get a job at GE, and say she's the problem. The main problem isn't the people dependent on government. Its fewer people paying into a system that's already out of balance.

[badger6]

I'm glad you wouldn't want to abolish abortion. At the sane time, I don't agree with government "entitlements" being a lifestyle. I don't look at programs as mandates.  I can't look down on a single mom who gets a refund more than the taxes she paid, while GE pays no taxes. Then turn around and say to the single mom who can't get a job at GE, and say she's the problem. The main problem isn't the people dependent on government. Its fewer people paying into a system that's already out of balance.

Do you support Obama ?

[el diablo]

Against Romney? Yes

[Phishfan]

she doesn't want what her irresponsible behavior has caused.

And all unplanned pregnancies are due to irresponsible behavior as condoms, the pill, and even tubal ligation have never failed.

[Dave Gray]

The sad truth is that abortions save money.  If you're against abortions because you think that they are morally wrong, I will not debate you on that -- it is certainly a legitimate position and I get that.

But if you are arguing against them because it's not fair that you should have to pay for them, the argument holds no weight.  Assuming we are going to pay for people's health care, which would include pregnancies, deliveries, etc., and especially considering that we do pay for childrens' schooling and many other things (not to mention that statistically speaking, those that would've been aborted will likely be a greater financial drain on the "safety net"), paying for an abortion saves money to the system and ultimately to you.

[Fins4ever]

The sad truth is that abortions save money.  If you're against abortions because you think that they are morally wrong, I will not debate you on that -- it is certainly a legitimate position and I get that.

Yes, that is where I am at. I was not only "a mistake", but grew up a Christian and even attended a Christian college. While I do not actively practice, I still believe abortion is morally wrong.

I do however can see how people believe it is their right to make a choice. IMO, this is one of many topics that will be debated forever. No possible solution will please everyone.

[Phishfan]

I was not only "a mistake",

Members of the same club.

[Spider-Dan]

I do however can see how people believe it is their right to make a choice. IMO, this is one of many topics that will be debated forever. No possible solution will please everyone.

If medical technology advanced to the point where it was feasible to remove an embryo and incubate it (followed by an adoption), would the anti-abortion crowd support gov't funding for that?

[Fins4ever]

FWIW, article on Big Bird...= big business. I wondered if the kids show had been affected by all of the new technology. When I was a kid, Looney Tunes was all there was. Today, there are tons of choices for toddlers. Job still pays pretty good. lol


http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=4235ea50-f856-4458-9e2e-b93f13c26281

[Dave Gray]

I believe that there are certain things that even though it means spending more at the national level, means saving more at the individual level.

So, it might not be the government's RESPONSIBILITY to provide health care to its citizens, but I think it's more financially viable than having everyone do it on their own.  And I think you have to think like that on a case by case basis.  I'd love to see us move towards socialized medicine, but the "S" word is so dirty in politics these days.