Don't twist my words on Ryan Tannehill

[EKnight]

Because its more than record for him.  you're evaluating a young player on his ability and growth and looking for signs of hope and promise.  Yes, he's 1-3, but could easily be 3-1 if a kicker makes 2 of 3 FG's or if a corner could stop someone on 3rd and long. 

Point is, he's shown promise and hope, and record aside, there's something to be said for that.  Whether you recognize it or not.

Out of curiosity, aside from not wanting to draft him because Mel Kiper said he's overrated, what's your beef with Tannehill?  Please cite concrete examples.

He could also be 3-1 if he didn't give the ball to the opposition against the Jets and Cards. He's just as much to blame for that as Carpenter. If he doesn't turn the ball over, your kicker isn't placed in a position to win the game. There's no way around that.

How many examples do you want? He had a MASSIVE tipped ball problem in college- something like 70% of his INTs his senior year were on tips. He chokes in the second half and always has; A&M blew halftime leads Oklahoma State (up 20-3, lost 30-29) as Tannehill threw three second-half interceptions, including one in the closing minutes. Next week, they blew an 18-point halftime lead to Arkansas, scoring just three points in the second half in a 42-38 loss. Tannehill got the ball back with over two minutes left, and went four-and-out. They blew an 11-point halftime lead to Missouri, scoring just three points in the second half (and none in overtime) in a 38-31 loss. Against Kansas State, they led 31-21 with 6:28 left but couldn’t hold on. Why? Tannehill went three-and-out and stalled at midfield in his final two possessions of regulation. Sound familiar? Sounds to me like what he's doing in Miami. For his senior year, in fact, RT had 19 TDs and 6 INTs in the first half, but just 10 TDs and 9 INTs after that. He was a career 62.5% completion guy in college, and that stat tends to go DOWN, not up in the pros. Not surprisingly, he's at 55.9% now, good for 27th in the league. Finally, anything he did with A&M looks even worse considering his replacement just went off for 29-of-38 passes, 453 yards, 3 TDs, and no INTs along with 104 rushing yards and one more score on 14 carries. And he's a freshman. Leads me to think Maybe Tannehill was in a great system in college, but he wasn't necessarily so great himself. How's that for starters? -EK

[EKnight]

And don't say you don't "HATE TANNEHILL"....you clearly do. Or else you would have budged off this outlandish stance you are grasping too, and at the very least.....at the very least say maybe I was wrong let's see how it plays out over the coming weeks. But you won't even do that? You stick to the..."he is a bust and I don't think he is any good." And you are claiming you would rather have Matt Moore at QB? BASED ON WHAT? He is a career back-up who can't win a starting job on bad teams (ie Carolina and Miami).  You hate Tanny so much that you started another thread just to bring up again how much you dislike him and his play.  It is OK to hate Tannehill, you are entitled to, just man up and admit it!

By the way, nobody is anointing Tannehill or claiming he is the second coming of elite NFL QB's. NOBODY! You can't find one post of anyone saying such here or anyone in the media saying such. But jesus christ let the guy play more than a few games or at the very least a season before he is labeled a BUST or you proclaim that he sucks and is no good and never will be any good!

I said I don't. End of discussion. You're not allowed to tell me what I think. Got it? Here's a crazy thought- didn't you say you were no longer going to respond to anything I say? Or were you making that up as you go as well? Love that you keep saying "no one loves/is annointing" the guy when you repeatedly- over and over- start threads about how everybody on the planet is just soooooo impressed by him. Your actions speak volumes above your words. -EK

[Brian Fein]

I don't care about what he did in college.

How many tipped balls after week 1?  Go look it up.  That's called learning and growth.

He got smashed by an unblocked blitzing linebacker while throwing, and you speak like he just handed the ball to the other team.  Tom Brady or Matt Ryan would have had the EXACT same result in that situation.

Look, you will see what you want to see.  You want evidence that you are right, so you will note down all the bad things he does.

But when he makes a good audible, or looks off a safety, you ignore that.  Because you're biased, and have an agenda.

Try to be objective, although, I know you think you are.  

[MikeO]

I said I don't. End of discussion. You're not allowed to tell me what I think. Got it? Here's a crazy thought- didn't you say you were no longer going to respond to anything I say? Or were you making that up as you go as well? Love that you keep saying "no one loves/is annointing" the guy when you repeatedly- over and over- start threads about how everybody on the planet is just soooooo impressed by him. Your actions speak volumes above your words. -EK

I said nobody is anointing the guy. I didn't say love. Quote it correctly if  you are going to come out against it!

[MikeO]

I don't care about what he did in college.

Exactly. John Elway NEVER went to a bowl game in college. Never went to one. Who the F' cares! It's college. College is college, Pro's is Pro's. What you did in college means nothing to what you will do in the pro's! By EK's standards Elway was trash as he couldn't lead a team to a bowl game

[EKnight]

I don't care about what he did in college.

How many tipped balls after week 1?  Go look it up.  That's called learning and growth.

He got smashed by an unblocked blitzing linebacker while throwing, and you speak like he just handed the ball to the other team.  Tom Brady or Matt Ryan would have had the EXACT same result in that situation.

Look, you will see what you want to see.  You want evidence that you are right, so you will note down all the bad things he does.

But when he makes a good audible, or looks off a safety, you ignore that.  Because you're biased, and have an agenda.

Try to be objective, although, I know you think you are.  

You asked me why I didn't like the pick and why I don't think he's NFL ready. I provided reasons- including what he's doing as a pro- and you dismiss them. Who's not being objective? -EK

[MikeO]

Since when was it Ryan Tannehill against the Texans, Jets and Cardinals? I could have sworn that it was the Miami Dolphins versus those teams. I saw a lot of guys out there playing against those teams and I could have sworn that I have seen a few negative plays by guys without the number 17 on their back. It's nice that you have all 3 losses on RT's shoulders, but you're wrong. Plain and simple you are wrong. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. The fact of the matter is that RT is not 1-3, the Miami Dolphins are 1-3 and there's plenty of blame to be handed out. Certainly the QB has to shoulder a little more of the blame then some other guys for a loss but even that only goes so far because RT hasn't stepped on the field for a single defensive or special teams snap and those parts of the game are easily as much responsible for the outcome of a game as the offense is. So if you want to say that Miami is 1-3 with RT at QB, that's fine, but to say that RT is solely responsible for the 3 losses is laughable.

When your words more acurately reflect reality then I won't disagree with them.

Thank you Pappy. He contradicts himself too. In one thread he is ripping the defense/secondary for not holding a lead and blowing the game. And they blew it again. In this thread all the loses are Tannehill's fault and his turnovers are why they are losing. Which is it? Did the secondary "blow it" or did "Tannehill give it away"....you can't say it's JUST THIS ONE thing that led to the loss in one thread. Then say it's JUST THIS ONE THING that led to the loss in another. And have them be 2 different "things." It's flawed logic.

[Brian Fein]

Your post went on and on about how much he sucked at A&M.  Refer to the past 4 weeks as your evidence.

I don't care if you liked the pick 6 months ago.  Fine.  Now he's your QB and will be for the foreseeable future.  So what's the point of discussing what you don't like about him.  I'm plenty objective, and you can find quotes from me on here not wanting Tannehill to start this year.  You can find me posting in a thread called "I don't want Tannehill" (I may have started the thread even).  But I'm not evaluating his college career now that I have pro data to judge by, and I have seen improvement from week 1 to now.  To deny that is downright false.

[bsmooth]

Isnt EK the same guy who kept defending Tebow when he started, and also ignored how well the rest of the team was playing to give all the credit to the QB. You have the same thing here in reverse.

[MikeO]

Isnt EK the same guy who kept defending Tebow when he started, and also ignored how well the rest of the team was playing to give all the credit to the QB. You have the same thing here in reverse.

Bingo! We have a winner!

[EKnight]

Your post went on and on about how much he sucked at A&M.  Refer to the past 4 weeks as your evidence.

I don't care if you liked the pick 6 months ago.  Fine.  Now he's your QB and will be for the foreseeable future.  So what's the point of discussing what you don't like about him.  I'm plenty objective, and you can find quotes from me on here not wanting Tannehill to start this year.  You can find me posting in a thread called "I don't want Tannehill" (I may have started the thread even).  But I'm not evaluating his college career now that I have pro data to judge by, and I have seen improvement from week 1 to now.  To deny that is downright false.

Stay with me here- you made the claim that Miami could be 3-1 if Carpenter hit those FGs. Conveniently you ignored the fact that they would also be 3-1 if RT didn't give the ball away. I brought up his college stats to specifically show you that he is NOT improving from weel 1 or from a year ago. He still turns the ball over with a lead and leads his team to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 2 of the 3 losses he's done this in. He only had 1 massive turnover against the Jets in week 3, but he had 3 a week later. How is that improvement? To deny that he was a major factor (not the only one, but a significant one) in both of the past two losses is downright false. -EK

[phinphan]

Since when was it Ryan Tannehill against the Texans, Jets and Cardinals? I could have sworn that it was the Miami Dolphins versus those teams. I saw a lot of guys out there playing against those teams and I could have sworn that I have seen a few negative plays by guys without the number 17 on their back. It's nice that you have all 3 losses on RT's shoulders, but you're wrong. Plain and simple you are wrong. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. The fact of the matter is that RT is not 1-3, the Miami Dolphins are 1-3 and there's plenty of blame to be handed out. Certainly the QB has to shoulder a little more of the blame then some other guys for a loss but even that only goes so far because RT hasn't stepped on the field for a single defensive or special teams snap and those parts of the game are easily as much responsible for the outcome of a game as the offense is. So if you want to say that Miami is 1-3 with RT at QB, that's fine, but to say that RT is solely responsible for the 3 losses is laughable.

When your words more acurately reflect reality then I won't disagree with them.

Thank you that made me laugh Great response.......I LOVE IT Go TANNY

[phinphan]

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[phinphan]

Stay with me here- you made the claim that Miami could be 3-1 if Carpenter hit those FGs. Conveniently you ignored the fact that they would also be 3-1 if RT didn't give the ball away. I brought up his college stats to specifically show you that he is NOT improving from weel 1 or from a year ago. He still turns the ball over with a lead and leads his team to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 2 of the 3 losses he's done this in. He only had 1 massive turnover against the Jets in week 3, but he had 3 a week later. How is that improvement? To deny that he was a major factor (not the only one, but a significant one) in both of the past two losses is downright false. -EK

Hey Mike O I thought you were picking on ek awhile back.I am man enough to admit I was wrong and I apologize.

[MikeO]

Hey Mike O I thought you were picking on ek awhile back.I am man enough to admit I was wrong and I apologize.

apology accepted! You are a good man!