I'm okay with a 2-3 record right now.

[MikeO]

Not sure if this it true but I read somewhere that of the rookie qbs RT has the best 4th qtr qb rating @ #11.

Heading into this week it was at 94.8 rating in the 4th quarter, 11th best in the entire league among all QB's (not just rookies). Not sure where it is now after this weeks games and all.

[MikeO]

Mike nailed it. Get some key guys on the D re-signed, get a CB and ball hawk Safety & a WR.

We get to see Jabar Gaffney this week. Hopefully he can give Miami a legit 3rd WR. Because in time teams will figure out a way to stop Hartline and Bess. Armstrong and Moore can't cut it. We need 1 more WR to step up. Gaffney might be it.

[EKnight]

We get to see Jabar Gaffney this week. Hopefully he can give Miami a legit 3rd WR. Because in time teams will figure out a way to stop Hartline and Bess. Armstrong and Moore can't cut it. We need 1 more WR to step up. Gaffney might be it.

In time? Hartline had one ridiculous game. The rest of the year, it appears teams already figured out how to stop them both. Minus the Cards game, Hartline is averaging 65 yards a game and has no TDs. Bess is at 69 a game and hasn't scored. Miami is still a run-first team. They don't need a third WR- they need a TE who can actually hang on to the ball. -EK

[MikeO]

In time? Hartline had one ridiculous game. The rest of the year, it appears teams already figured out how to stop them both. Minus the Cards game, Hartline is averaging 65 yards a game and has no TDs. Bess is at 69 a game and hasn't scored. Miami is still a run-first team. They don't need a third WR- they need a TE who can actually hang on to the ball. -EK

Here we go...now you are gonna "HATE" on Hartline...lol lol. The comedy never stops!  He leads the NFL in receiving yards through 5 games and he missed an entire preseason and all those workouts and has a rookie QB but now he is no good too!! What not good enough for ya being the NFL's #1 WR yardage wise through 5 games? What, can't hate on Tannehill this week so now its time to bash Hartline?! Only 1 "ridiculous game"....I guess the Raiders game doesn't count where he had 9 receptions and 111 yards? Give me a break.  And why you ripping Fasano? He hasn't dropped anything this year that I remember (or has a drop being really crucial at least.)

Such a Dolphins hater and troll.

[EKnight]

Who was hating? Stop twisting my words to make your argument. There's absolutely no chance in hell he finishes in the top five (and probably not even top 10) in receiving yards. That's not because he's not good, it's because of the offense they run. 9 receptions for 111 yards and no TD's is good. It sure as hell ain't "great" though. We both know that by the end of the year, your arch-nemesis Brandon Marshall will be far ahead of Hartline in yards and TD's, and he's already ahead of him in receptions. Does that mean I "hate" Hartline? No- it means I'm being realistic. Posting that "sooner or later teams will figure him out" is insane. He's not Calvin Johnson or Reggie Wayne- or eve Marshall. He's a solid # on any other team. Stop acting like every time a Dolphin has ONE great game he's suddenly a superstar player. Show me superstar over 16 games, and we'll talk. Hartline's numbers looked pretty pedestrian this week- good for a #2 on most teams, but certainly not great. That doesn't mean I hate him, it means I'm honest. -EK

[MikeO]

Who was hating? Stop twisting my words to make your argument. There's absolutely no chance in hell he finishes in the top five (and probably not even top 10) in receiving yards. That's not because he's not good, it's because of the offense they run. 9 receptions for 111 yards and no TD's is good. It sure as hell ain't "great" though. We both know that by the end of the year, your arch-nemesis Brandon Marshall will be far ahead of Hartline in yards and TD's, and he's already ahead of him in receptions. Does that mean I "hate" Hartline? No- it means I'm being realistic. Posting that "sooner or later teams will figure him out" is insane. He's not Calvin Johnson or Reggie Wayne- or eve Marshall. He's a solid # on any other team. Stop acting like every time a Dolphin has ONE great game he's suddenly a superstar player. Show me superstar over 16 games, and we'll talk. Hartline's numbers looked pretty pedestrian this week- good for a #2 on most teams, but certainly not great. That doesn't mean I hate him, it means I'm honest. -EK

So for Hartline we gotta wait till the end of the year to judge him and his play. But for Tannehill he is just a bust before he played any games and there was no need to wait. Love that confusing logic! Classic!

And nobody said Hartline was a superstar or compared him to Calvin Johnson, talk about putting words in someones mouth. And its pretty clear you hate him just like you hate Tannehill and hate the Fins defense. You still pine away for Brandon Marshall and can't get over that he is gone. Can't move on, sorta like Rihanna.

[EKnight]

I was probably the biggest Hartline guy here heading into the year. I was the one would said he was Jordy Nelson without a QB.

I'm judging RT and Hartline by the same standard, you're apparently just too dense to get it, so let me spell it out for you: BOTH of their most recent play (RT's overrated college play and Hartline's past NFL play) go into my evaluation of them. For whatever reason you can't grasp the fact that RT had some massive flaws in college that he was struggling to overcome heading into the past game (I didn't see the last game, so I don't know anything beyond a stat line). How else do you evaluate a talent coming into the NFL? Do you just completely overlook what he did in college and give him a clean slate? That's ridiculous. If a player has flaws in the NCAA, they're going to be bigger flaws at the pro level. RT is no exception- his completion % was nothing to jump at in college and it sucks now. He stared down his recievers and choked away leads in college and appears to do the same now.

Insofar as Hartline, I can't look at a player who is a career 550 yards per season receiver and suddenly think because he had one great game, he needs to be "figured out" by defenses. You can't honestly believe that's the case.

Speaking of "moving on" from Marshall- YOU'RE the one who pipes up every time he drops a ball, and starts threads about him. You're like the guy who is still hung up on his ex-gf hoping she'll fail in her new relationship. I'm just trying to interject some reality into this. Hartline doesn't need to be figured out- it's insanity to think that. He's a quality WR, but there's nothing to figure out about the guy. -EK

[MikeO]

Do you just completely overlook what he did in college and give him a clean slate?

YES!!!!!!  Because it's college and it doesn't translate at all to what will happen in the NFL. It's like saying John Elway never led Stanford to a bowl game so he will never led a team to a Super Bowl in the NFL. Because what happened in college tells us that . It's beyond silly.  Just like what happens in the "NFL preseason" doesn't translate into what will happen during the regular season. Because you can't try and made a connection. It's foolish.

You probably never watched 1 Texas AM game in you're life but now you are an expert on Tannehill's college performance and what he did in college will translate to the NFL. Give me a break.

[EKnight]

I actually watched a ton of Tannehill's college stuff during the pre-draft months, which is what led me to conclude he isn't good. Your argument about Elway is a classic reductio ad absurdum. If you don't evaluate NFL talent on what they did in college, how in the world are you supposed to have any clue what they're capable of? Why was there a whole "Suck for Luck" campaign? After all, what he was doing in college was irrelavent. Why look at ANYONE in college? Why have draft boards or scouts? The scouts aren't needed, because college performance is null and void, right? Love to see you talk your way out of this. -EK

[MikeO]

I actually watched a ton of Tannehill's college stuff during the pre-draft months, which is what led me to conclude he isn't good. Your argument about Elway is a classic reductio ad absurdum. If you don't evaluate NFL talent on what they did in college, how in the world are you supposed to have any clue what they're capable of? Why was there a whole "Suck for Luck" campaign? After all, what he was doing in college was irrelavent. Why look at ANYONE in college? Why have draft boards or scouts? The scouts aren't needed, because college performance is null and void, right? Love to see you talk your way out of this. -EK

You can form an opinion of a guy based on  his college play. To say a guy is a bust and will never be any good before he even steps on the field (like you are so proud of doing) is what kills all you're credibility. You took it beyond just having an opinion. You put you're foot so far in you're mouth you made Rex Ryan blush. 

[MikeO]

Great post Mike.  Agree 100%.  While it sucks that Miami could VERY easily be 4 - 1 right now, I"ll take the foundation this team seems to have laid.  Tannehill impresses me more and more each week.  You said it perfectly with him not being overwhelmed.  I like his scrambling and making something happen ability.  I also like that you mentioned Jones at safety.  He's looking like a beast and one of the sure tacklers in our secondary.  The O line seems to have FINALLY been solidified.  Good trio of RB's, QB of the future, stout defense.  I like the outlook of this team.  The couple close loses just leave a bitter taste in your mouth. 

On the o-line, great story today in one of the papers how Jim Turner has helped Jon Jerry lose 35 lbs since the start of training camp. Looks like hopefully things are starting to click with Jerry like they clicked with Sean Smith.

Miami has 17 returning starters from last year. They changed coaches. West Coast offense. 4-3 defense. And have a quality QB now playing. Look how much improvement has been made so far. STILL A LONG WAYS TO GO. But essentially this is the same team as Sparano had and things look so much different and so improved.

[EKnight]

You can form an opinion of a guy based on  his college play. To say a guy is a bust and will never be any good before he even steps on the field (like you are so proud of doing) is what kills all you're credibility. You took it beyond just having an opinion. You put you're foot so far in you're mouth you made Rex Ryan blush. 

No you can't. You just said you can't. You've insisted (numerous times), that "Because it's college and it doesn't translate at all to what will happen in the NFL." At all. So which is it? Can you form an opinion on college play or not?

And how does it kill my credibilty? If five years from now he's out of the league or riding the pine, it certainly doesn't kill anything. It means I saw it from the get go that he sucked and was a bad pick at in any round, let alone the 8th overall pick. Being a bust isn't just about how bad a guy is, it's about how bad he is if a team massively over-reaches for him.   Just because I am standing by my opinion and not wavering doesn't mean I was wrong. You keep posting stat after stat to try and validate your opinion of the guy, but you ignore the fact that he's still near the BOTTOM of the league in trunovers, completion % and QBR.

Either way, NONE of that has anything to do with your attack on me about Hartline. Try to stay focused. How is my saying Hartline is an average, but not great receiver, and certainly not one who needs to be "figured out" or get some sort of special game planning for make me hate him? It was a pretty straight forward and honest evaluation of Hartline. No one in the world believed after the 200 yard game he had that he would keep up the average he had at that point. Using "he's leading the league in receiving yards" to validate your POV based on a small sample that was massively inflated by one game is lunacy.

[MikeO]

You can form an opinion based on college stats, but when the guy STARTS PLAYING IN THE NFL FOR REAL....what he did in college doesn't matter anymore.

I can't believe I really just had to explain that to someone 

[EKnight]

Mike, that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but it's not one shared universally. When a player shows no improvement from the things that plagued him in college, his coaches, media, and fans WILL start in with, "that's the same thing he did in college, and he's not improving. There's a problem here." I would think that YOU of all people would get that, since from the start of Tebow's career, you (and everyone else) were critical of the fact that he can't throw well, based on the sampling of....get ready for it....how his mechanics were at Florida.

Nice way to dodge the Hartline debate. -EK

[MikeO]

There is no debate on Hartline. You said something foolish and you are wrong. No debate on my end. You want to rip and bash Hartline go for it. Have at it.