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« on: October 15, 2012, 10:38:04 am »

I'm posting this to show why so many Christians get upset over what seemingly seems petty things. This article from Rolling Stone points out how men have basically been emasculated over time on the tube (the sitcom staple has now become Dad as a panicky man-child in way over his head with adult responsibilities ). While each little change on it's own does not appear to be too bad, over time the desensitizing factor of whatever (violence, sex, horror, disrespect etc.) only paves the way for people to move the line for what is normal and accepeted. 

By portaying fathers as usless over and over it has an effect of the psychology of society and fathers themselves. Obviously I'm only using fathers because of the artcle but it could be any subject. I believe that our soceity lacks any real positives because there are so few examples and we are forced to see negative over and over until it becomes our reality. Yes I know this is an old person mentality but it's so obvious if you have enough time to observe it.

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How Al Bundy Became Gay-The Neanderthal TV dad is now on the verge of extinction

By Rob Sheffield
September 11, 2012 8:00 AM ET

The two baby-faced gay fathers of The New Normal exemplify the new breed of television's trying-too-hard superdad. From Modern Family to Parenthood to Up All Night to Guys With Kids, the sitcom staple has now become Dad as a panicky man-child in way over his head with adult responsibilities. Their sexuality takes a backseat to their desire to be Fred MacMurray; the real key to them is – and these dudes can't shut up about it – they want to be the family man. Unlike the sitcom dads of old – Fred Flintstone, Archie Bunker or Al Bundy – they're desperate to get it right.

The basic sitcom formula remains unchanged: You might recognize the kids (they are sassy!) and the moms (they are humorless-yet-wise tsk-tskers!) as straight from the cliché vaults, yet the megasincere dads are the ones who dominate. It's like cop shows, except the dads are now the wide-eyed recruits fresh from the police academy and the moms are their street-smart partners who grumble, "Listen, rookie, it's murder out here."

Before reality TV came along, prime time was filled with dysfunctional dads. But these days, if you want to see a loudmouth jerk slobbering with resentment, you have way too many reality-TV families competing for your attention. Hell, even Fred Sanford and his idiot son liked each other more than any of the Kardashians do. If you get your kicks watching loathsome families chew one another to shreds, why would you watch a sitcom? There's always Toddlers & Tiaras or Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.

The New Normal is auteur Ryan Murphy doing Modern Family, but upping the gay-dad ante. It's the crowning act of Murphy's American-family trilogy, which he began with Glee and continued with American Horror Story, both nightmares about how horrific families are and how you'll lie, steal, cheat or kill to escape. Now Murphy ventures into the heart of darkness: the sitcom, which has always been obsessed with the idea of the nuclear family. This is strange territory for Murphy, who has specialized in revenge fantasies about wiping out Mayberry with extreme prejudice.

At the center, there's a Los Angeles gay couple (Justin Bartha and Andrew Rannells) who crave a surrogate baby. Their designated womb-haver: earthy Midwestern gal Goldie. She already has a daughter from when she got pregnant at 15. As she tells the boys, "I became a mom in a Rite Aid bathroom." She also has a foxy grandmother: Ellen Barkin, kicking ass in the Jane Lynch/Jessica Lange nasty-blonde role. Barkin has considerably tougher comic chops than the rest of the cast, so she gets nearly all the laughs, spewing homophobic slurs like "salami smokers" and "ass campers."

The New Normal isn't brilliant comedy at this point. There are lots of speeches about what love and family really mean. But it's in a long, noble tradition of sitcom families looking to invent the new normal while keeping it as close as logistically possible to the old one. In the Seventies, that meant The Brady Bunch and The Partridge Family, which were so outré they required theme songs that nervously explained how these single women got all these kids. Same with The Odd Couple, which had to begin every show with a voice-over explaining that Felix wasn't gay.

The next two decades saw an explosion of new-normal templates, with shitloads of single moms keeping it together one day at a time. Those aggressively funky families still define the state of the art, from Fish, with Abe Vigoda in a house full of racially polarized orphans, to Diff'rent Strokes, where one of the kids from Fish plus another from Good Times get adopted by that capitalist whore Mr. Drummond.

It's a long road from The Brady Bunch to One Day at a Time to Modern Family. This is the tradition that The New Normal comes from: the history of the American family that sitcoms invented, and have been furiously reinventing ever since.

This story is from the September 13th, 2012 issue of Rolling Stone



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/how-al-bundy-became-gay-20120911#ixzz29NRHTyS8
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 10:54:57 am »

Sorry if I'm being dense, but I don't get the point of the article.  To me its bordering on anti-gay...?  Am I missing something?  Is it claiming that "dads" in America are getting "Soft" because of TV shows?
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 11:06:31 am »

Sorry if I'm being dense, but I don't get the point of the article.  To me its bordering on anti-gay...?  Am I missing something?  Is it claiming that "dads" in America are getting "Soft" because of TV shows?

I don't think so. I think it's more how we have come from Leave it to Beaver or Dick Van Dyke to the New Normal. The TV stereotype of fatherhood, among other things, has changed dramatically.  I would suspect it will continue to do so.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2012, 11:55:29 am »

The article singles out the New Normal as a show corrupting society and changing the societal views of fatherhood.
Why only that show?
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2012, 02:40:12 pm »

The article singles out the New Normal as a show corrupting society and changing the societal views of fatherhood.
Why only that show?
It's the end of the spectrum. Gay dads are the premise of the show. It mentions it's predecessor being Modern Family in which one of the families is gay parents but the whole show doesn't center around it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2012, 02:57:56 pm »

I think what started this downward spiral of immoral TV is when Lucy and Ricky slept in the same bed on "I Love Lucy."  How disgusting it is to suggest married people have sex?!   Shocked

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2012, 01:36:05 pm »

If you don't like the show, don't watch it. 

I have over 200 channels on my TV.  A few of them are gear specifically to Christains, if I was to watch their prays show I would find the show quite offensive to my beliefs and values. Such as EWTN. I don't watch those stations.

Many other stations carry programming that simply doesn't interest me.  I don't watch those stations either. 

I have never complained to my cable provider demanding that Comcast remove EWTN remove the channel from my TV line up.  Or written letters to its TV sponser protesting the station.  No instead, I just skip right over the channel. 

If you want to watch Leave it to Beaver, you can catch that show on TV Land and can watch that instead of "New Normal."
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 02:32:19 pm »

If you don't like the show, don't watch it. 
No offense to you but this is the dumbest argument for anything. This has gotten to be one of the biggest smart arse answers to everything and it makes absolutely no sense. Basically it gives no one a right to complain about anything.

If you don't like Christians complaing then move to a country where there are none to complain.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2012, 02:44:11 pm »

No offense to you but this is the dumbest argument for anything. This has gotten to be one of the biggest smart arse answers to everything and it makes absolutely no sense. Basically it gives no one a right to complain about anything.


I am going to call bullshit on that. 

Complaining about other people's behavior that affects your ability to conduct and enjoy your own life is valid.  Complaining about behavior that does not affect you is just complaining for the sake of complaining which is what the orginal post of this thread is.

There are over 200 channels.  If you don't like what is on one of them pick from the other 199.

It is constant with my stance supporting NYC being one of the first cities to ban smoking indoors in public and opposing the ban on large soda's being sold.

Second hand smoke affects others.  Nonsmokers have an absolute right to complain about others poluting the air around them.  Drinking a large soda does not affect anyone but the indivual drinker -- if you don't like large soda's don't drink one.  Other peoples soda drinking is not something you have a valid complaint about. 



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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2012, 02:50:13 pm »

I am going to call bullshit on that. 

Complaining about other people's behavior that affects your ability to conduct and enjoy your own life is valid.  Complaining about behavior that does not affect you is just complaining for the sake of complaining which is what the orginal post of this thread is.

There are over 200 channels.  If you don't like what is on one of them pick from the other 199.

It is constant with my stance supporting NYC being one of the first cities to ban smoking indoors in public and opposing the ban on large soda's being sold.

Second hand smoke affects others.  Nonsmokers have an absolute right to complain about others poluting the air around them.  Drinking a large soda does not affect anyone but the indivual drinker -- if you don't like large soda's don't drink one.  Other peoples soda drinking is not something you have a valid complaint about. 

Don't complain about my answer. If it bothers you then don't read any post by me.  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2012, 03:26:09 pm »

If you don't like the show, don't watch it... It's quite simple. Maybe this goes to that entitlement discussion/argument where if someone is offended they feel entitled to have the show removed. If only people would stop complaining how something offends them and just live and let live. Religion, comedy, lifestyles, etc...
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