Round 2 - Presidential debate

[badger6]

I found this one kind of the same as the 1st one. Obama was more animated due to stress from losing the 1st debate so badly. Since it has been said that Romney didn't have many specifics about his plans for the future. I noticed that Obama had even less specifics. It's disturbing that a few times Obama refused to answer or ignored questions that should have been answered. At the same time though, I find it very amusing that Obama spoke of being president in the past tense when he said:

And we are on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president.

Hopefully this presidential failure knows something we don't with his past tense statement and his sorry ass will get booted out before it gets much worse. But I've pretty much accepted the fact the the entitlement crowd, freeloaders, and elitist bleeding hears liberal will prop him to receive their free shit and push their agendas.

[CF DolFan]

I found last night annoying and a bit uncomfortable. I watched the first 40 minutes and didn't hear anything new so I turned it off.  I really didn't like how both guys pretty much ignored the questions to address their talking points. To be perfecty honest, I really don't know what a truely undecided person could have gained from that other than Obama acted more like he wanted to continue his job... which didn't come across last time.

[badger6]

I also wonder why these moderators seem to be cherry picked for the left. I mean that whole Libya exchange with that Crowley idiot getting in the middle of it. She knew Romney was right the whole time and she back tracked later and said Romney was right about what he was saying. WTF, is Obama screwing that ugly broad or something ? Moderator my ass, more like tag team partner. Just more crooked shit from Washington, par for the course. I pity us all.....

[Fins4ever]

I also wonder why these moderators seem to be cherry picked for the left. I mean that whole Libya exchange with that Crowley idiot getting in the middle of it. She knew Romney was right the whole time and she back tracked later and said Romney was right about what he was saying. WTF, is Obama screwing that ugly broad or something ? Moderator my ass, more like tag team partner. Just more crooked shit from Washington, par for the course. I pity us all.....

Agree. I heard that she attended the wedding of the Obama's. They go way back. Wonder how she got picked? Doesn't both sides have to agree? Worst job of moderating I ever saw. Ask the question and STFU.

Fact checkers have already verified that drilling permits on Federal land are down since Obama took over, disputing what Obama said.

Finally, we all know the White House blamed the video for the attacks on the consulate. It was not until just recently that they admitted it was a terrioist attack. Just another of many lies.  Meanwhile, Obama runs around the country pounding his chest that Bin Laden is dead. Not like that pissed them off or anything. lol

[Cathal]

As an undecided vote, I just wish there was a moderator out there who could force someone to answer a question. That's what I would love to see. I've only watched a handful of these debates so that might have happened in the past, but I doubt it.

[Phishfan]

I also wonder why these moderators seem to be cherry picked for the left. I mean that whole Libya exchange with that Crowley idiot getting in the middle of it. She knew Romney was right the whole time and she back tracked later and said Romney was right about what he was saying. WTF, is Obama screwing that ugly broad or something ? Moderator my ass, more like tag team partner. Just more crooked shit from Washington, par for the course. I pity us all.....

Outright and blatant lie. #1 Obama did indeed say terrorism #2 Crowley defended her psotion today. I'm not sure where you get your news from.

[Phishfan]

what Obama said.

Finally, we all know the White House blamed the video for the attacks on the consulate. It was not until just recently that they admitted it was a terrioist attack. Just another of many lies. 

Please explain how it is a lie. Obama said "act of terror" and is on video. He said in the debate that he said so. You use of "White House" is a misrepresentation of facts. Now it is widely agreed members of the administration may have been saying the video, but Obama called it an act of terror and said that he did so. There is no lie in that.

[Cathal]

Fact checkers have already verified that drilling permits on Federal land are down since Obama took over, disputing what Obama said.

Keep in mind I'm not for either side, but from the fact-checking I've seen, both are right. Just browsing Yahoo this morning:

Both statements ring true, as far as they go. Obama more correctly describes the bigger picture.

According to an Energy Department study published in the spring, sales of oil from federal areas fell 14 percent between 2010 and 2011 and sales of natural gas production fell 9 percent, supporting Romney's point. The lower oil production was a result mainly of a moratorium on offshore drilling imposed by the Obama administration after the April 2010 BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history.

According to the same report, though, oil production from federal areas is up 13 percent since Obama took office despite last year's dip, and analysts say Gulf oil production is expected to soon exceed its pre-spill levels.

Natural gas production from federal areas has been declining for years because drillers have found vast reserves of natural gas in formations under several states that are cheaper to access than most federally controlled areas.

[badger6]

Outright and blatant lie. #1 Obama did indeed say terrorism #2 Crowley defended her psotion today. I'm not sure where you get your news from.

Obama did mention “acts [plural] of terror”, but this followed references to “the 9/11 attacks” and “troops who made the ultimate sacrifice” against acts of terror. He was not describing the Libya attacks, that is clear.  Obama had gone before the U.N. thirteen days after the attacks, mentioning a video six times as the source of the violence and failing to mention terror in the same context once. And also the statement he made at the UN, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam" which is in reference to the video that they claimed was the source of the attacks. Using the word terror one time in an ambiguous way is in no way an excuse. Obama thinks the US citizens are fools to believe this obvious lie to cover his ass.

[Phishfan]

^^^ Have you seen or read a transcript of the speech or are you just using talking points? I will grant you 9/11 is mentioned immediately before "acts of terror" but you omit that it immediately preceeds mention the four Americans lost in Libya. The UN speech also covered topics other than the Libyan attack so the video is not specifically attributed to it. Or by the fact that they were contained within the same speech are you also saying that Obama tied the video to a nuclear armed Iran?

[Brian Fein]

Fact: people will hear what they want to hear.  badger clearly supports Romney and thus is under the impression that Romney won the debate.

Fact: Romney's "binder of women" story was made up.  Lies.  Never happened.

[CF DolFan]

Outright and blatant lie. #1 Obama did indeed say terrorism #2 Crowley defended her psotion today. I'm not sure where you get your news from.

I had read the same thing. It was actually the headline of today's Daily Mail online.

Romney was RIGHT! Candy Crowley admits Mitt was correct to attack Obama over Libya killings after siding with President . . . as cameras catch Michelle breaking rules by clapping husband

Candy Crowley admitted that Mitt Romney was RIGHT to criticise Barack Obama for his response to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi just hours after she apparently sided with Obama at a crucial point in the high drama presidential debate on Tuesday night.
The moderator's shock intervention, in which she cut Romney short when he claimed that Obama had failed to say the attack was the work of terrorists in the his Rose Garden statement the following day, has been met with outrage.
However, Crowley appeared to backtrack just a few hours after she left the GOP candidate exposed on the stage in front of millions of viewers. She admitted that Romney had been 'right in the main' but added that he had 'picked the wrong word'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218841/Presidential-Debate-2012-Outrage-moderator-Candy-Crowley-sides-Obama.html#ixzz29aX9zQd0

 and the LA times

Crowley explained to Soledad O’Brien that her original goal was not to fact-check Romney's claims, but to steer the candidates away from their semantic squabbling and toward more substantive issues.

“We got hung up on this ‘yes he said,’ ‘no I didn’t,’ ‘I said terror,’ ‘you didn’t say terror.’ And there was this point where they both kind of looked at me.... And what I wanted to do was move this along,” she said.

In something of a rebuke to her right-leaning critics, Crowley also said, “There is no question that the administration is quite vulnerable on this topic. That they did take weeks to go, ‘Well, actually there really wasn’t a protest and actually didn’t have anything to do with the tape.' "

For the record, she also used almost the exact same words last night, debunking Romney’s “act of terror” claim in the same breath that she also said he was right about the administration's delayed response: " He -- he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take -- it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that."

[Phishfan]

I had read the same thing. It was actually the headline of today's Daily Mail online.

I know exactly what you are talking about but there was no backtrack. Did you guys watch the debate? Immediately behind her mentioning that President Obama did in fact say "acts of terror", which is exactly the debating point I remind you, she made mention that others in the administration did take weeks before dropping reference to the video.

All she did was clarify that she had indeed added that to the discussion. My thoughts are most people were so shocked at her input that they completely missed the rest of it and that is  what some media outlets are hoping for.

[CF DolFan]

I know exactly what you are talking about but there was no backtrack. Did you guys watch the debate? Immediately behind her mentioning that President Obama did in fact say "acts of terror", which is exactly the debating point I remind you, she made mention that others in the administration did take weeks before dropping reference to the video.

All she did was clarify that she had indeed added that to the discussion. My thoughts are most people were so shocked at her input that they completely missed the rest of it and that is  what some media outlets are hoping for.

Then why are you arguing semantics? You obviously realize he took two weeks to get off of the video thing regardless of saying "terror".  this argument, as wel as most of the others between the candidates are stupid.

Each person should get 1 hour to explain their plan on National TV. Maybe do it twice.  No commercials. No debates. No propaganda, etc.  Politics are nothing more than a job for the manipulative. Basically it gives liars something to do other than being lawyers.

[Phishfan]

Then why are you arguing semantics? You obviously realize he took two weeks to get off of the video thing regardless of saying "terror".  this argument, as wel as most of the others between the candidates are stupid.

I am not arguing semantics at all. Obama said "acts of terror" the next day. He was accused of lieing about that which is false and the evidence proves it. He is accused of giving a UN speech where he attributed the attacks to the video which is also incorrect. I am correcting those lies, whether they be from innocent repeating of the talking heads or outright lies here.

I said others in the administration and you also turned it into Obama. Are we discussing what Obama said, which I have pointed out you guys are incorrectly attributing or are we discussing what others said? Choose one and stay there.