Round 2 - Presidential debate

[CF DolFan]

I agree with Brian Fein.  I support Obama because I believe in more liberal ideas, but I think I'm able to recognize when things are good or bad for specifics candidates, separate from how I feel.

Most people simply aren't that way. Most of the Republicans I know watch Fox for political things. Most Democrats I know watch MSNBC for their perspective. Most people are not looking for differences ... they are looking for affirmation and or excuses.

[Dave Gray]

^ I guess.

Even though I like Obama, I can see that he got out-debated in the first debate.  But I also see that he out-debated Romney in the 2nd.

Pointing out someone's political (not policy) downfalls should be separate from how you feel about their policies.

Romney looked like an idiot on Libya, when he should've looked strong.  He set a trap for Obama and it sprung on himself, because he focused on semantics, when he should've focused on ideas.

[badger6]

It's not just badger. There are plenty of Obama people in here that are exactly the same.  That's been my argument (as well as many other people) from the beginning. There are only about 5-10% of people who actually ponder which way to go and that is who decides each election.  This site is a microcosm of the country.

I could be wrong, but I venture to say that you probably agree more with what I think than most of the Obamites around here. But, like I said I could be wrong....

[badger6]

If a fucking video of him saying it is not enough proof for you that he did, there is no more to discuss.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

See the word "ACTS", that is plural. The Libya attack was one incident. The use was ambiguous and not aimed at the Libya situation.

What we've seen over the last week, week and a half, is something that actually we've seen in the past, where there is an offensive video or cartoon directed at the prophet Muhammad. And this is obviously something that then is used as an excuse by some to carry out inexcusable violent acts directed at Westerners or Americans

^^^This quote after the rose garden speech and before the UN speech would contradict the one time arbitrary use of the word terror as an excuse. Where are the words terror, acts of terror, or pre-planed terror ? They aren't there because the administration blamed the attack on the you tube video, simple as that.

[badger6]

Guess what?  Politicians lie to get into office. It's a fact of life. Obama lied about certain things to get in last time...cutting the deficit in a major recession. He knew that you can not cut Government spending in a deep recession or it would turn it into a depression.

And Romney is lying as well to get in. He has changed his positions so many times on several issues and will not release any details of his tax plan because he knows that if he does during the election process if would hurt his chances.

Politicians lie....and they will continue to lie because stupid/gullible people believe them. Sadly, we just have to decide who will lie the least.

Who don't know that ? I guess that since I am a racist that Obama is also. Welcome to Government slavery, good day sir !!!

[Brian Fein]

If you say so. You might want to look in the mirror before the minorities that you support need a new mirror and take it from you. 

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?  You wonder why you're getting called a racist.  Every post you make is discussing racial boundaries and minorities, when no one else is discussing that at all!

"The minorities you support" just strengthens the perspective that you hate Obama because he's black.

[badger6]

I feel like I am able to look at situations objectively, regardless of who I support. I am not an undecided voter, but I can admit my candidate's shortcomings.  Some people refuse to recognize something as insignificant as their candidate lost a debate.

Who can't recognize that their candidate lost a debate ? I'm pointing out facts that "the fix was in" with that idiot Crowley. Of course Romney lost the debate. But it was close, and without the direct help from the moderator and her biased cherry picked questions, Romney could have won the debate.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

See the word "ACTS", that is plural. The Libya attack was one incident. The use was ambiguous and not aimed at the Libya situation.

Here is the full paragraph.

"Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe," he said. "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

Yes, the first sentence is in pural. But there have been multiple acts of terror against our nation.  He is simply pointing out that this act nor any other acts will shake our resolve.  But your not intested in reality, you want to play word games.  

[badger6]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?  You wonder why you're getting called a racist.  Every post you make is discussing racial boundaries and minorities, when no one else is discussing that at all!

"The minorities you support" just strengthens the perspective that you hate Obama because he's black.

He's black ? That's racist in itself. He is half white you know. So why isn't anyone calling him white or of mixed heritage ? Because the minorities won't allow it. You will cry about anything just like a little boy. Please go through puberty and grow a pair.

[badger6]

Here is the full paragraph.

Yes, the first sentence is in pural. But there have been multiple acts of terror against our nation.  He is simply pointing out that this act nor any other acts will shake our resolve.  But your not intested in reality, you want to play word games.  

Well then maybe you can explain why that is the only time that the word "terror" is used for two weeks ? And also while you are at it, please explain what is this two weeks worth of talk about a you tube video, outrage, and "intolerance" toward Islam all about ?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Well then maybe you can explain why that is the only time that the word "terror" is used for two weeks ? And also while you are at it, please explain what is this two weeks worth of talk about a you tube video, outrage, and "intolerance" toward Islam all about ?

On September 13, at a campaign event in Las Vegas, Obama vowed to bring the killers to justice. He then added, "No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."



You just like to make up false claims.  I am not going to give you a day by day account of his use of the word terror.  But your claim is false.

[badger6]

On September 13, at a campaign event in Las Vegas, Obama vowed to bring the killers to justice. He then added, "No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."



You just like to make up false claims.  I am not going to give you a day by day account of his use of the word terror.  But your claim is false.

So you are saying that for 2 weeks they didn't blame outrage in Libya on a you tube video and intolerance toward Islam ? Is that what you are saying, yes or no ?

[mecadonzilla]

Pretty soon el badger is going to debate what the definition of the word "is" is.  How very Clinton of him.

[badger6]

Pretty soon el badger is going to debate what the definition of the word "is" is.  How very Clinton of him.

It was a simple question.

[Phishfan]

So you are saying that for 2 weeks they didn't blame outrage in Libya on a you tube video and intolerance toward Islam ? Is that what you are saying, yes or no ?

Who are "they"? Once again you are trying to attribute things others said to Obama. That is not the discussion but you want to try and make it that so you sound right. No one here is saying that no one linked the two. We are saying that Obama called it an "act of terror" and you have even included the quote yourself. He does not have to say it every day. He does not need to continue saying it. Even if the video was involved in the reason for attack or not, it does not preclude it from being an act of terror.