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[Spider-Dan]

Lisa Lampenelli is known for her digs against blacks and her relationships with them. All you need to do is watch any of the Comedy Central roasts for that. She's hilarious. I know Daniel Tosh will rag on any race and he doesn't care and he gets his own show.

There's a difference between targeting all races (which is something that Carlin and Pryor did frequently) and basing the majority of your material on one race, as Foxworthy and Lopez do.  Lampanelli insults everyone (and to be fair, bigotry is practically her schtick), but she doesn't specifically base her comedy on the black community; she may go into great detail on her dating experiences with black men, but (IMO) there is no such thing as racism or discrimination when it comes to dating.  You likes what you likes.

[badger6]

You are completely incorrect in that. A word is simply a word, the intent behind the word is the issue. If I say "Chris Rock uses the word n*****" I am not being racist. If I called Chris Rock "a low down, dirty ni**er", that is racist. I would be using the same word but have completely different uses of that word.

Well going by that standard. A black person that calls another black person a n*****/nigga, is a racist.

Phishfan, there isn't much point to discussing issues of race with badger6.  He has a... unique perspective.

If you call a hypocritical double standard from the black community a unique perspective then so be it. Or conversely, if you're insinuating that I'm a racist, that is hardly a unique perspective in this country. Blacks are racist just as much as whites, if not more. 

[Phishfan]

Well going by that standard. A black person that calls another black person a n*****/nigga, is a racist.

Again you are completely off base. I said the intent is what makes it racist forget usage by who or when and completely focus on intent. In this example again the intent is different. Now, people may not like their use of the word but it was not used in a racisit fashion.

[badger6]

Again you are completely off base. I said the intent is what makes it racist forget usage by who or when and completely focus on intent. In this example again the intent is different. Now, people may not like their use of the word but it was not used in a racisit fashion.

How do you know what someones intent is ? I have seen many black people call each other by the N word and their intent wasn't good. As in, about to beat the shit out of each other. So I guess only in that case, it's racist, huh ? All you are doing is justifying racism by excluding other races from doing what blacks do with no consequences. Same as in my above examples of black organizations. It's OK if blacks do it, but no one else can. Such a sense of entitlement !!!

[Phishfan]

^^^ Different scenario that I envisioned and you portrayed by using the "a" variation of the word. Are you asking if I think a black person could be racist against other blacks? By pure definition I think not. Now does that mean that they can still use a word in a derogatory manner against someone else, yes they can. Does it also mean they may have a resentment for others of their race, yes they can but that would fall under something else by definition I assume.

[badger6]

^^^ Different scenario that I envisioned and you portrayed by using the "a" variation of the word. Are you asking if I think a black person could be racist against other blacks? By pure definition I think not. Now does that mean that they can still use a word in a derogatory manner against someone else, yes they can. Does it also mean they may have a resentment for others of their race, yes they can but that would fall under something else by definition I assume.

The "a" variation is the same word. Not only do they sound the same, but being an idiot and removing "er" and replacing with an "a" doesn't change the word, ie playa, holla, gangsta. Those words still mean basically the same thing, just as n*****/nigga means the same thing. That's just another way to justify the blatant racism. 

So basically, what you are saying is that it's OK for a black person to use racist terms and not OK for white people to use them ?

In 2012, is it OK if only white people vote and not black people. In 2012, is it OK for only white people to sit in the front of the bus and blacks have to sit in the rear ?

It's the same thing. You are saying that someone of one race can do something that someone of another race can't based on their color. Anyone who agrees with that is pushing superiority instead of equality and is a racist by definition.

[Phishfan]

So basically, what you are saying is that it's OK for a black person to use racist terms and not OK for white people to use them ?

Where do you keep pulling this from? Your reading comprehension may be the worst I have ever seen. I keep saying the intent behind the word is the damage, not the word itself or who says it. I can't say it any fucking plainer. Can a white person say it harmfully, yes. Can a blck person say it harmfully, yes. Can either say it without harmful intent, yes. Hopefully you get it now.

[badger6]

Where do you keep pulling this from? Your reading comprehension may be the worst I have ever seen. I keep saying the intent behind the word is the damage, not the word itself or who says it. I can't say it any fucking plainer.

I disagree with your logic. How do you determine someones intent of a word. It's all up to interpretation, and different peoples interpretations will be vary greatly.

[Phishfan]

I disagree with your logic. How do you determine someones intent of a word. It's all up to interpretation, and different peoples interpretations will be vary greatly.

It is pretty simple. Don't be obtuse on purpose. Even a child can recognize when someone is saying something in a hateful manner.

[badger6]

It is pretty simple. Don't be obtuse on purpose. Even a child can recognize when someone is saying something in a hateful manner.

It is very simple. Don't complain about what someone does if you do it yourself. And if you do complain, complain about everyone that does it, not just people that are a different color than you are. If you do you are a racist and a hypocrite......

[Spider-Dan]

In this thread:

Racism isn't dead until white people can call black people n*ggers again.

[CF DolFan]

In this thread:

Racism isn't dead until white people can call black people n*ggers again.

It's actually quite the opposite. You can't bitch about racism unless what's wrong for one person is wrong for another.

[mboss]

I disagree with your logic. How do you determine someones intent of a word. It's all up to interpretation, and different peoples interpretations will be vary greatly.

Phish is right...it is about intent of using a word. And you are right too badger, it's because people have different interpretations of intent or use of certain words is why we have such broad disagreements of it.

[Buddhagirl]

This thread is full of LOL's.

[Spider-Dan]

It's actually quite the opposite. You can't bitch about racism unless what's wrong for one person is wrong for another.

I am loathe to even address such an obvious point, but since I guess more than the usual expected person might need this pointed out:

Do you think that when black people say the n-word to each other, it carries the same intent as when white people said it to them 100 years ago?

The entire purpose of language is to use words to communicate ideas.  The belief that intent doesn't matter and that it's somehow a specific configuration of letters that we should find offensive is among the dumbest things I've ever heard; by this absurd logic, calling a person a n***** is bad, but calling them a n*gg*r is just fine, because you didn't technically use that word!

Intent is all that matters.