Review of Marshall trade at halfway point

[Dave Gray]

We don't have to wonder how Marshall would perform here.  We had him on the field and he didn't get things done.  He's a headcase.  But, on top of this, as I've said many times before, he isn't "clutch".  His big games come when it doesn't matter.  He had 3 TDs in a game that they won by 30 points.  He's a garbage time stats player.  When you need a big catch, he isn't there for you.

[Spider-Dan]

These threads are such a waste of time.

You sure didn't seem to think so when you were busy praising Ireland for the Davis trade less than a week ago.

Now, to address several different points made:

- everyone seems to be happy to crow about how smart the Davis trade was, so fair is fair
- Welker was an RFA, not a player with multiple years left on his just-recently-signed contract
- Welker did not cost Miami 2 second-round picks to acquire
- Welker was not even the leading receiver on the team when he was allowed to leave
- it was a minor miracle that Miami was able to get anything for Welker at all, given the poison pill offer from NE that he signed
- the halfway point of the season is not "waiting to post until after Marshall has a good game"
- dismissing Marshall's 3 TDs because they came in a blowout is ridiculous; without his 3 TDs, it's not a blowout

So far, Marshall has backed up his talk about what he can do when he has a good QB.  The question, then, is: is Ryan Tannehill a good QB?

There is no answer to that question that does not reflect poorly on either a) Ireland's ability to evaluate Marshall as a player, b) Ireland's ability to evaluate Tannehill as a player, or c) Ireland's plan for the previous offseason.

Furthermore, to blame Marshall for "not getting things done in Miami" with QBs that the Dolphins front office found unacceptable is not reasonable.  Ireland was turning over rocks and bringing in anyone he could find just to NOT give the job to Matt Moore, and Chad Henne can't win a job from Blaine Gabbert.  Given what Marshall has done when someone not wearing aqua and orange is throwing to him, how can you not say that the problem with Miami's passing game was not at the QB position?

And finally, I would just like to point out that my problem is not necessarily that Miami got rid of Marshall.  My problem is that 1) Ireland overpaid to bring him in and 2) Ireland got less than what he should have when he sent him away.  If MIA got Marshall from DEN for 2 thirds and traded him to CHI for 2 seconds, I would have nothing but praise for Ireland.  As it is, the entire Marshall situation was an unmitigated disaster.

And it all falls directly on Ireland's shoulders.

[bsfins]

None of us have clue,If Marshall said to (or through his agent) Irelend I want out of Miami.As a fan it's a luxury of bitching about the past...

[Spider-Dan]

Even if Marshall did want a trade, so what?

Mike Wallace and Wes Welker wanted new contracts.  What did that get them from their front offices?

I believe in credit where credit is due.  Ireland fleeced IND with Davis, so he gets credit there.  He also gets credit for accurately recognizing that he did not need to trade up to get Tannehill.  But the Marshall trade (on both ends) was a complete failure.

[Brian Fein]

Ireland got what he got because of 2 years of terrible production.  The Bears bought low on a high-reward guy and its working out for them.  Congrats.  But looking at numbers and production (and salary) and removing the name, They got what he was worth.  An above-average receiver who caught 6 TD's.  The past 2 seasons, he DID NOT play to his potential.  You can't set your price tag based on potential, when the numbers speak otherwise. 

Marshall was the perfect trade target.

I can't speak for the lack of replacement.  That is something that still needs to be addressed.  I think they expected more out of Naanee and Johnson.  Unfortunately, neither worked out.

[Pappy13]

But the Marshall trade (on both ends) was a complete failure.

So far. Still have a ways to go to determine who ultimately does better. I still have a lot of hope in Egnew. He's being asked to convert from a WR (essentially) to a TE and he has Fasano and Clay in front of him. Without being more a special teams player, there's no room on the active roster for him, but unless Clay picks it up, I would expect that he'll get a chance before the end of the year.

[Spider-Dan]

Ireland got what he got because of 2 years of terrible production.

Making the Pro Bowl while finishing in the top 10 in receptions and yards is "terrible production"?  Can we hope to see that same kind of terrible production from anyone else on the Dolphins this year?

[bsfins]

Even if Marshall did want a trade, so what?

Mike Wallace and Wes Welker wanted new contracts.  What did that get them from their front offices?

I believe in credit where credit is due.  Ireland fleeced IND with Davis, so he gets credit there.  He also gets credit for accurately recognizing that he did not need to trade up to get Tannehill.  But the Marshall trade (on both ends) was a complete failure.

good for you Lah-Dee Fuckin-Dah!

Are you serious?is this rhetorical? I can't stop laughing to type....You're a fan on a message board bitching in complete hindsight about Value? That you have no clue what anyone was willing to give,think none of that matters,it doesn't fit your logic...Spider you're the guy that shows up on Pawn stars,and Says I think this is a worth $5000,they Say I'll $500..Value is only what someone is willing to give you for something..

Keep going,Blah,Blah..Blah....Go ahead...back to your spilled milk,panties in a wad...

[EKnight]

Making the Pro Bowl while finishing in the top 10 in receptions and yards is "terrible production"?  Can we hope to see that same kind of terrible production from anyone else on the Dolphins this year?

I agree with this COMPLETELY, especially since there were Miami fans popping off about how "great" Hartline was when he was leading the league in receiving yards (after 4 games), and starting threads about his numbers vs. Marshall's. If that kind of lunacy is acceptable, then pointing out that Brandon was the best thing at WR Miami has had in years and is doing exactly what he said he'd do with a good QB should be fair game and acceptable as well. -EK

[MikeO]

It doesn't matter what happened off the field. 

To you!!!!!

It did to Philbin, Ireland and Ross. Which is why he is gone. They didn't like him as a person! End of debate.  To argue this and come up with wild specualation is pointless. They didn't like him and didn't want him around. So they got rid of him.

[Spider-Dan]

Lil B, if posting meaningless opinions to a message board is such a colossal waste of time, why do you have over 11,000 posts here?

The only thing more useless than my "bitching" about Ireland's blunders is your whining about my complaints.  If you don't like the idea of fans commenting on the moves of a sports team, I humbly submit that you're in the wrong place.

[bsfins]

Because I like some people here,and appreciate their opinion,but yet when I come here to see peoples opinions on the current season,the game played yesterday...I find the same guy whining about spilled milk from 6 months ago,and the past that we can't do anything about now.Maybe if people keep pointing out,your whining about spilled milk,you might stop... Apparently it's wishful thinking...

I'm responding to see your lip twitch like Sheldons...and hoping maybe you keep typing,Blah,Blah Blah get finger to fall off..

I have no problems anyone having an opinion,and enjoy hearing alot of them,the problem is everyone here is held to "the Spiderdan" standard

[Spider-Dan]

If only we eliminated the rule requiring you to read and post to every thread, maybe your problem would be solved.

Was I somehow unclear when I titled this thread, "Review of Marshall trade at halfway point"?  Did you click on the thread title perhaps expecting to see some news on Rishard Marshall, or Marshall Faulk, or the Marshall Plan?

You say you want to read opinions on the current season?  I gave stats from the current season.
You don't want to hear any whining about stuff that happened in the past and can't be undone now?  Then why did you make all of these posts to Shame Of The Game threads?

Do you have some secret plans for a time machine that the rest of us don't know about, or are you just being a plain-old garden-variety hypocrite?

[bsfins]

Spider continues arguing just to argue...fuck the fingers I'm going for the head exploding...

[Spider-Dan]

But of course, what you are doing is not-at-all arguing for the sake of argument.  Keep that hypocrisy train going.

I am certainly open to correction by Dave, but as I understand it, the purpose of this message board is almost exclusively to discuss past, present, and future actions of the Miami Dolphins football club.  I think the Brandon Marshall trade was a poor move by the front office, and have provided my rationale for such a position.  If you think that my commentary evaluating the results of said trade is out-of-bounds, I suggest you flag my thread for moderation.

Otherwise, kindly STFU and take your useless, hypocritical whining elsewhere.