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« on: November 05, 2012, 09:25:17 am »

This article may cause some of you conflict as you dislike pretty much anything Armando writes.  He is addressing the same things we have been discussing about Long, his play, and about what it will take to resign him.

I really hope for two things. 1) that Long regains some of his form and 2) that he wants to stay. I think if that happens then the money can easily be worked out.

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It used to be that the overarching conversation surrounding Jake Long was about whether he indeed was the right pick as the No. 1 overall selection in 2008 over Matt Ryan. And the argument could be made that even if Ryan turned out to be a franchise quarterback, picking a Hall of Fame left tackle was still a wise choice.

Well, Long has not been playing like a Hall of Fame left tackle this year.

And on Sunday he didn't play like a Pro Bowl left tackle. Or even a good left tackle.

Matched against Dwight Freeney, who had been struggling with injuries and production prior to this game, Long was beaten soundly in the matchup. Freeney got a sack that stripped the ball from Ryan Tannehill and, ironically, Long plucked out of the air and ran for a couple of yards.

It was a good save. But it wasn't a good look for Long.

He also yielded two other QB hits and at least one more pressure that forced Tannehill to get rid of the ball early. He also had a false start and had a holding call that was declined.

"Yeah, it appeared there were a couple of times, it looked like he got beat a couple of times," coach Joe Philbin said. "We'll have to take a look at the tapes to see if it's a technique thing. It might have been minor little things and some adjustments he'll have to make. But, yeah, we expect better protection."

Long was echoed his coach after the game, giving credit to Freeney and his well-chronicled spin move. Long also promised an attempt at getting improvement.

"He got me on the one," Long said. "He gets off the ball quick and it's a hell of a move. He did well on that one and I just have to correct it and get better."

The truth is Long has not been Miami's best offensive lineman this year as he was in years past. That mantle has been passed to Mike Pouncey.

But the problem is where do the Dolphins and Long go from here? Long, you see, is a free agent after this season. And general manager Jeff Ireland is on record as saying he will not let Long get away from the Dolphins.

I get that because letting Long walk only creates another hole that has to be filled and the Dolphins have plenty of those as is. In fact, my column in today's Miami Herald makes the point that because quarterback Ryan Tannehill is good (but not great) the Dolphins have to surround him with more weapons and a better team to compete with teams that indeed do get great quarterback play.

And, by the way, Andrew Luck delivered great quarterback play against Miami on Sunday and has convinced me he's going to be great. Indeed, Luck has thrown for 2,404 yards this season. Peyton Manning? He's thrown for 2,404 yards this season.

The point is the Dolphins need to add talent, not lose some they already have.

Which brings me back to Long. It's going to be a hard negotiation of Long's agent, Tom Condon, is going to insist on having Long paid as the best left tackle in football -- which is exactly what Long was coming out of college as the No. 1 pick. Long was the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

But after gutting through a couple of injury plagued seasons in 2010 and 2011 and still not playing at his highest level this year, I don't see how the Dolphins can justify paying Long like the best tackle in football. He's probably in the top 10 some games. But not every game.

Certainly not on Sunday.

"They're a hell of a defese. Their front line got a few on us. We just have to watch the film and get better and we will."

Posted by Armando Salguero at 09:15 AM | Permalink

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/11/it-was-a-long-day-for-jake-and-what-that-mean.html#storylink=cpy
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 09:38:57 am »

Jake Long was facing one of the best DE's in the league.  He made some bad blunders, agreed, but I'm not worried about him.  He's still one of the best tackles in the AFC.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 09:53:52 am »

Jake Long was facing one of the best DE's in the league.  He made some bad blunders, agreed, but I'm not worried about him.  He's still one of the best tackles in the AFC.

Long is one of my favorite players, but he's made "some bad blunders" in almost every game this season.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 11:27:17 am »

Jake Long was facing one of the best DE's in the league.  He made some bad blunders, agreed, but I'm not worried about him.  He's still one of the best tackles in the AFC.

When you're supposedly one of the best tackles in the league, you would win some of those battles.  Jake Long got beaten badly left and right.

I'm sorry, Brian, but Jake Long is no longer the elite left tackle he once was.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2012, 11:39:23 am »

I'm sorry, Brian, but Jake Long is no longer the elite left tackle he once was.
No, he's not but I still don't like the idea of having to replace him. I'm hoping that Long wants to stay in Miami enough that he'll be willing to take a reasonable contract offer from Miami. We'll see.
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 11:48:56 am »

No, he's not but I still don't like the idea of having to replace him. I'm hoping that Long wants to stay in Miami enough that he'll be willing to take a reasonable contract offer from Miami. We'll see.

I don't think he will accept what the Dolphins deem to be reasonable.  His play clearly declined last year and has gotten even worse this year.  Sometimes you just gotta cut a man loose.
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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 11:53:28 am »

I don't think he will accept what the Dolphins deem to be reasonable.  His play clearly declined last year and has gotten even worse this year.  Sometimes you just gotta cut a man loose.
We'll see. I think Miami would still be willing to pay him like a top LT, just not THE top LT.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 11:54:00 am »

I don't think he will accept what the Dolphins deem to be reasonable.  His play clearly declined last year and has gotten even worse this year.  Sometimes you just gotta cut a man loose.


If that happens I can see them moving Martin over to LT, which is his natural position and going out and getting another RT
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2012, 11:57:29 am »


If that happens I can see them moving Martin over to LT, which is his natural position and going out and getting another RT
I'm not convinced that Martin is a LT anymore than I am convinced that he's a RT. He's looked just as ordinary as Jake Long has if not moreso.
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2012, 12:09:35 pm »

I'm not convinced that Martin is a LT anymore than I am convinced that he's a RT. He's looked just as ordinary as Jake Long has if not moreso.

He will be fine. Keep in mind he is a rook and he was up against Mathis yesterday. Big task for anyone.   
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2012, 12:37:13 pm »

HEre's the thing about Jake Long:

When he does his job, you'll never know it.

He only gets put on TV when he makes a mistake.  He gets beat, misses an assignment, or holds a guy, then they show it on replays.  They don't show replays of the tackles doing a good job of blocking.

If the Dolphins ran 75 plays yesterday and Jake might have been "exposed" on 5 or 10 of them, that's still 65 plays he made against one of the league's best defensive ends.  That should not be overlooked.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2012, 12:40:24 pm »

I'm not convinced that Martin is a LT anymore than I am convinced that he's a RT. He's looked just as ordinary as Jake Long has if not moreso.

He took some snaps at left tackle in the preseason game against Dallas and played reasonably well.  Left tackle is his natural position and I'm sure that being out of position has a lot to do with why he struggles at times.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2012, 12:56:18 pm »

Left tackle is his natural position and I'm sure that being out of position has a lot to do with why he struggles at times.
I'm not. Right tackle doesn't typically go up against the best pass rushers from the defense like LT does. Who's to say he'll fare any better switching to the left side? Besides you aren't just losing Long as the LT you are also losing his locker room presence. He's probably the most respected player in the locker room right now despite his struggles this year.

Look, I get that people are disappointed with Long's play this year, but wanting to get rid of him will only create another hole to fill at this point. No, Miami cannot pay him like the top LT in the league, but I think Miami would be smart to pay him enough to try to get him to stay. If he goes somewhere else and gets paid as the top LT in the game, then it's not Miami that is stupid, it's whomever pays him that.
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2012, 01:10:41 pm »

HEre's the thing about Jake Long:

When he does his job, you'll never know it.
I knew it when he made the Pro Bowl.  I knew it when he was named to first-team All-Pro.

So far, it doesn't look like there's much jeopardy of either of those things happening this year.
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2012, 02:33:56 pm »

I think the Fins will be fair to him and he will stay when all is said and done
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