Racism, politics and the double standard

[CF DolFan]

I know it's not popular to call anyone but white men racists but there is a huge glaring statistic that shows blacks are more racist when it came to voting in this election. There isn't another race of people even close.

Black churches openly told membership who to vote for across the country and organized "Souls to the Polls".  I don't know a single church that was white and it certainly wasn't because I wasn't looking. I specifically was because Dave had said something about churches doing it and I had never seen it before.

Supposedly racism is one of the evils of the world to be stamped out but only when every person can be held to the same standards will we even be headed in the right direction.

[Dave Gray]

Yeah, I don't know if I told this story on here, but it's kinda interesting.

I went to see Obama speak at a rally near my home town this year.  The crowd was extremely diverse.  Among them were black families.  Some of them were decked out, Head to Toe, in Obama clothing.  Their shirts had murals on them of the Obama family.  Some had MLK on them with quotes from the civil rights movement.

Now, my parents are very Democratic.  However, there's no way my Mom is ever wearing a shirt with the Clinton family + Chelsea on it.  It's just not our relationship to the Clintons (or the Obamas).  As much as we like both men as politicians, it doesn't cross over into historical "hero worship". 

I realized then (which I already knew but hadn't really seen) that Obama is an icon of American black culture.  He is our Lincoln or Washington.  He represents way more than just a current president, but it the culmination of a lifelong fight for some of those older black men and women. 

So, I don't know if you call that racist, but I certainly do understand it, from a historical importance perspective.

[Dave Gray]

Also, one more thing:

The GOP caused this to be a bigger problem for them.

There is a certain percentage of black culture that's going to vote for the black guy regardless, of course.  But I think that all of the birth certificate, Kenya, Muslim bullshit that the right spewed ultimately hurt them.  I think that middle of the road blacks, in addition to blacks who probably wouldn't vote at all, were personally offended and fired up.  Here, they've offered up a perfect citizen with a great track record, a clean history -- a family man, a church-goer, a Harvard educated lawyer.  ...he happens to be black.  And for the first time in history, the President's citizenship is questioned.  He's accused of cheating his way through school.  They ask for his birth certificate and his school transcripts.  They doubt his religious faith.  So, I think black culture, as a whole, took offense and showed up en masse to say "Fuck you."

[Spider-Dan]

CF,

Do you think that if this election were Hillary Clinton against Herman Cain, Cain would carry 93% of the black vote?

Black voters vote for the more liberal candidate.  They have for years and they will likely continue to for the foreseeable future, at least until conservatives cease doing things like appearing at the NAACP to challenge them so you can brag about it to your base later.

And yes, many black voters do take it as a somewhat personal affront that this Harvard-educated law graduate, who is one of the most educationally-qualified Presidents ever, is actually a complete moron who cannot string together two sentences without a teleprompter, even after he handed McCain his ass in 3 debates and took on the entire House Republican caucus (and embarrassed them too).  When you add in the years and years of the "Kenyan alien" talk, it is not surprising that black voters would recoil from the GOP.

[badger6]

CF,

Do you think that if this election were Hillary Clinton against Herman Cain, Cain would carry 93% of the black vote?

Black voters vote for the more liberal candidate.  They have for years and they will likely continue to for the foreseeable future, at least until conservatives cease doing things like appearing at the NAACP to challenge them, so you can brag about it to your base later.

Do you think if Obama was white 100% white that he would have carried 93% of the black vote ?

[Spider-Dan]

Hi badger6!  Welcome back!  I missed your analysis on the decisive win for Romney that you predicted.

To answer your question: probably damned close....

1984 Walter Mondale 90% Ronald Reagan 9%
1988 Michael Dukakis 90% George H.W. Bush 10%
1992 Bill Clinton 83% George H.W. Bush 10%
1996 Bill Clinton 84% Bob Dole 12%
2000 Al Gore 90% George W. Bush 9%

If you're asking me if, say, Joe Biden could outperform Al Gore by 3% with black voters, when the current version of the GOP is using the NAACP as a foil to motivate their base: in a word, yes.

[fyo]

Supposedly racism is one of the evils of the world to be stamped out but only when every person can be held to the same standards will we even be headed in the right direction.

Gotta disagree with you on that one. Racism (or any other form of discriminatory bias) is a much bigger problem when it is perpetrated by the majority. Any reduction in bias (e.g. racism), among ANY group (majority or otherwise) is "heading in the right direction". Since race is such an insanely charged issue these days, let's take an example from a different issue: sexual preference (yeah, not charged at all ). Clearly, discrimination of heterosexuals among homosexuals is a significantly smaller problem, for society as a whole, that the reverse.

(It should go without saying that any single individual being discriminating against can suffer just as much regardless the size of the perpetrating group).

[Buddhagirl]

I don't even understand the topic. Are you inferring that blacks are racist because they voted overwhelmingly for Obama despite the fact that blacks traditionally vote Dem?

[Spider-Dan]

Apparently, when 90% of blacks vote for Mondale, Dukakis, and Gore, but then 93% vote for Obama, it proves that we have a double standard for racism in this country.

[Buddhagirl]

Apparently, when 90% of blacks vote for Mondale, Dukakis, and Gore, but then 93% vote for Obama, it proves that we have a double standard for racism in this country.

Yeah. I'm too hungover for this shit.

[Fau Teixeira]

Apparently, when 90% of blacks vote for Mondale, Dukakis, and Gore, but then 93% vote for Obama, it proves that we have a double standard for racism in this country.

Math doesn't matter to the conservative echo chamber, facts don't either.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I wonder what the numbers were for Mormans and Christians in general.  That was cursiously missing.

[badger6]

Hi badger6!  Welcome back!  I missed your analysis on the decisive win for Romney that you predicted.

To answer your question: probably damned close....

1984 Walter Mondale 90% Ronald Reagan 9%
1988 Michael Dukakis 90% George H.W. Bush 10%
1992 Bill Clinton 83% George H.W. Bush 10%
1996 Bill Clinton 84% Bob Dole 12%
2000 Al Gore 90% George W. Bush 9%

If you're asking me if, say, Joe Biden could outperform Al Gore by 3% with black voters, when the current version of the GOP is using the NAACP as a foil to motivate their base: in a word, yes.

Welcome back ? I never left or went anywhere. I posted in the election thread when I got home this afternoon. I do work you know. I read the first few posts in that thread yesterday and then went to dinner. I got home and I guess someone forgot to pay the hosting bill or something because the site was down. So no, I went nowhere, this place went somewhere.

Actually when you get up to 85-90% each percentage point gets harder and harder to get those points. And you have to remember that it was 95% 4 years ago IIRC. So in a word yes. Yes, Obama's color was the reason the black vote was so high.

BTW, on a side note. At work today it was like a circus. I am one of the few white people where I work and I don't talk politics at work. Anyhow, around 75% of the black employees were talking shit all day today, loudly directed at the white employees. Saying shit like, "Yea, yea, that bitch Romney thinks he can beat a brother", "We got that revenge, "You think the whites will ever win again ?". Then there was the idiot sporadically yelling and screaming all day "OBAMA, my president and my nigga". Even had the black guy who walked up to the white guy and an pointed in his face laughing. The white guy was like WTF ? Then the black guy said, "who you vote for?" and just walked away. No, none of that has anything at all to do with race does it. All of them talking about how they went to vote and waited in line, like they were special. None of these idiots ever realizing that this state votes always go republican and that their puny little vote didn't even matter. They actually thought that they were helping Obama get elected when the electorals were already gone.

[CF DolFan]

Apparently, when 90% of blacks vote for Mondale, Dukakis, and Gore, but then 93% vote for Obama, it proves that we have a double standard for racism in this country.

Kerry got 88%. Obama got 95% in 2008 and then 96% last night.  Obama went up for blacks but down for all other groups.  Nope ...  nothing different about that at all. I'm an arse to even suggest it.

[badger6]

Kerry got 88%. Obama got 95% in 2008 and then 96% last night.  Obama went up for blacks but down for all other groups.  Nope ...  nothing different about that at all. I'm an arse to even suggest it.

Maybe he could push for unlimited presidential terms until he hits an 100% of the black vote. It would still be not racially motivated and justified by his supporters. But alas, we'll be bankrupt and starve long before then. Mission accomplished...........