Racism, politics and the double standard

[Pappy13]

I know it's not popular to call anyone but white men racists but there is a huge glaring statistic that shows blacks are more racist when it came to voting in this election. There isn't another race of people even close.

It's not racist to vote for a black guy if you are black anymore than it's racist to vote for a white guy if you are white. It's only racist if you are ONLY voting for the black guy BECAUSE he's black and NO OTHER REASON.

Was there a few people that voted for Obama because he's black and no other reason? Probably. Did 90% of the blacks vote for Obama because he's black? Absolutely not. That's ridiculous to even suggest it.

[badger6]

It's not racist to vote for a black guy if you are black anymore than it's racist to vote for a white guy if you are white. It's only racist if you are ONLY voting for the black guy BECAUSE he's black and NO OTHER REASON.

Was there a few people that voted for Obama because he's black and no other reason? Probably. Did 90% of the blacks vote for Obama because he's black? Absolutely not. That's ridiculous to even suggest it.

80% of the black people that I know that voted for Obama, don't know much of anything about Obama or his policies. And the other 20% is very limited knowledge. Judging from interviews and video clips of black Obama supporters there are many that don't know much about him or his policies. What are they voting for if not his color or his entitlements ?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

What are they voting for if not his color?

There are plenty of people (both black and white and both D and R) who vote party line.  Plenty of blacks are party line democrats.   

[badger6]

There are plenty of people (both black and white and both D and R) who vote party line.  Plenty of blacks are party line democrats.   

96% worth. That's a damn big party.

[Spider-Dan]

Kerry got 88%. Obama got 95% in 2008 and then 96% last night.  Obama went up for blacks but down for all other groups.  Nope ...  nothing different about that at all. I'm an arse to even suggest it.

CF, the graph you just posted says 93% last night.

Are you really running with the story that the 5% difference between 88% for Kerry and 93% for Obama last night is evidence of widespread racism among blacks?  Weak stuff, man.

Black voters in the U.S. have voted for liberal candidates for as long as they have been permitted to vote.  This is not news.

[Sunstroke]

80% of the black people that I know that voted for Obama, don't know much of anything about Obama or his policies. And the other 20% is very limited knowledge.

Based on your illustrious posting history on this site, I would dispute several things here...

1) That you know any black people that aren't on TV.
2) That you spent ANY time talking to black people about their political beliefs or knowledge of Obama's platform.
3) That you care enough about the political views of local black people to conduct any sort of polling that would allow you to say "80% this" and "20% that."

In short, I'll just call B.S. on that entire comment...

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Black voters in the U.S. have voted for liberal candidates for as long as they have been permitted to vote.  This is not news.

Actually, the Republicans got the African American vote from Grant thru Hoover.  It wasn't until the New Deal & FDR that they stopped automatically voting for the party of the Lincoln.   

[Spider-Dan]

Hoodie, I said they have voted for liberal candidates, not Democratic candidates, specifically to preempt the objection you just made.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Hoodie, I said they have voted for liberal candidates, not Democratic candidates, specifically to preempt the objection you just made.

I don't think anyone would consider Warren G. Harding more liberal than James M. Cox and certainly not Eugene V. Debs.

[Spider-Dan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding#Anti-lynching_movement_and_immigration

Notably in an age of severe racial intolerance during the 1920s, President Harding did not hold any racial animosity, according to historian Carl S. Anthony. In a speech on October 26, 1921, given in segregated Birmingham, Alabama Harding advocated civil rights for African Americans; the first President to openly advocate black political, educational, and economic equality during the 20th century. Harding went further and viewed the race problem as a national and international issue and desired that the sectionalism of the Solid South and black membership of the Republican party be broken up.

Occasionally, there are exceptions to the rule.  Harding's radically liberal positions on race relations (contrasted with his otherwise conservative views) may have had some effect.

[Pappy13]

80% of the black people that I know that voted for Obama, don't know much of anything about Obama or his policies.

Are you assuming it's any different for White folks voting for Romney? Heck you're talking about 1/2 the registered voters in the country that just vote Republican or Democrat regardless of who the candidate is.

[badger6]

Based on your illustrious posting history on this site, I would dispute several things here...

1) That you know any black people that aren't on TV.
2) That you spent ANY time talking to black people about their political beliefs or knowledge of Obama's platform.
3) That you care enough about the political views of local black people to conduct any sort of polling that would allow you to say "80% this" and "20% that."

In short, I'll just call B.S. on that entire comment...

Well then you would be 100% wrong. FAIL

[badger6]

Are you assuming it's any different for White folks voting for Romney? Heck you're talking about 1/2 the registered voters in the country that just vote Republican or Democrat regardless of who the candidate is.

Except for the fact that Romney didn't get 96% of the white vote.

[el diablo]

Except for the fact that Romney didn't get 96% of the white vote.

No he didn't. He just managed to turn off 93% of an electorate.  The racist part of the argument is that all 93% voted for Obama "because he's black." That's to assume that blacks aren't smart enough to evaluate the candidates and make an informed decision. What was the argument before Obama?  They only voted for the white guy because he's white? Neither Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton garnered 93% of the black vote when they ran. Neither Herman Cain or Alan Keyed got 93% of the black vote.  Clarence Thomas doesn't have a 93% job approval rating among blacks. But somehow Obama gets 93% of the black vote and "it's only cuz he's black". C'mon son.

[bsmooth]

Kerry got 88%. Obama got 95% in 2008 and then 96% last night.  Obama went up for blacks but down for all other groups.  Nope ...  nothing different about that at all. I'm an arse to even suggest it.

I notice you only focus on Kerry, but ignore the 84 and 88 election where white Democrat presidential candidates got 90% of the black vote.
Do I think that Obama garnered an extra 5% because he was black? Probably. But that does not mean the whole vote was about race.
The GOP with its shift even more to the right turned off a lot of different groups, and even pushed moderates away from their party.
Mitt lost for far more reasons than Obama getting 96% of one minority group.