Racism, politics and the double standard

[CF DolFan]

I notice you only focus on Kerry, but ignore the 84 and 88 election where white Democrat presidential candidates got 90% of the black vote.
Do I think that Obama garnered an extra 5% because he was black? Probably. But that does not mean the whole vote was about race.
The GOP with its shift even more to the right turned off a lot of different groups, and even pushed moderates away from their party.
Mitt lost for far more reasons than Obama getting 96% of one minority group.

I'm not defending Mitt losing. There was only a 2% difference so regardless of who lost we could point out a numerous reasons why. 

Let me try and point it out this way. Regardless of anything else if over 90% of white America voted for a white man who was running against as black man and the black vote was split 60/40 ...  do you think there would be some fall out?

[Pappy13]

Let me try and point it out this way. Regardless of anything else if over 90% of white America voted for a white man who was running against as black man and the black vote was split 60/40 ...  do you think there would be some fall out?

Only from the supporters of the guy that lost.

[masterfins]

What's the percentage of white voters that voted/would vote for anyone other than Obama/or another candidate just because they were black???

Whether you call it racism or prejudice there are many Americans (especially older people raised in a different generation) that would not vote for a black person. 

Having the 1st black Presidnet in our country's history is important, and I wouldn't blame 100% of the black population for voting for him if they wanted to.

[Spider-Dan]

Let me try and point it out this way. Regardless of anything else if over 90% of white America voted for a white man who was running against as black man and the black vote was split 60/40 ...  do you think there would be some fall out?

Since you put it that way:



Looks to me like almost 80% of evangelical Christians voted for Romney, while other Christian groups were much more evenly split.  Since we are apparently discarding the years of data from Presidential elections with two white candidates, I am forced to conclude that evangelical Christians are racist.

[Pappy13]

Clearly Hispanic Catholics were only voting for Obama because he's black. 

[Sunstroke]

Clearly Hispanic Catholics were only voting for Obama because he's black. 

Because he's black AND Muslim...why else would Hispanic Christians vote for Obama?

Can we get some data on how many people with fake birth certificates voted for Obama?

[CF DolFan]

Since you put it that way:



Looks to me like almost 80% of evangelical Christians voted for Romney, while other Christian groups were much more evenly split.  Since we are apparently discarding the years of data from Presidential elections with two white candidates, I am forced to conclude that evangelical Christians are racist.

This poll is misinformed. Most black churches are considered evangelistic. In fact I would be willing to bet on average, at least in the south, that more black churches hold the Bible as litteral than white mainstream churches. Mainstream churches have a tendency to be affected by culture. Yes I have been to black churches and have even had a whole congregation lay hands on me and pray.

[Spider-Dan]

CF, are we poking holes in polling methodology, or addressing the substance of the arguments?

If I go find numbers that show that more Mormons voted for Romney (v. Obama) than for Dole (v. Clinton), would that prove that Mormons are racist?

Evangelicals vote Republican.
Mormons vote Republican.
Blacks vote Democratic.

You can replace Romney with Cain and Obama with Hillary and all of these things will still be true.

[Brian Fein]

I'm willing to wager that more people voted for Romney because Obama is black than voted for Obama for the same reason.

[badger6]

I'm willing to wager that more people voted for Romney because Obama is black than voted for Obama for the same reason.

I would agree with that. But I would say that when adjusted for population rates between blacks and whites that the percentage is higher for blacks. So your statement may be a bit misleading. Same for food stamps, welfare, murders, abortions, etc, etc. Many numbers between whites and blacks may be equal or whites may even lead in a some categories. But if you adjust for the fact that white make up 70% of the population and blacks make up 15% the numbers are not even close

[Buddhagirl]

No Brian, whites are able to thoroughly examine a candidate and make an informed decision based on facts unlike blacks. Blacks just blindly vote for the darkest  person on the ballot.

Some people on this board spoke to the 3 black people they know and they said they only vote for Obama because of his skin color. Never mind the fact that the Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, is heavily involved in a religion that did not even recognize an entire race until they were forced to in 1979. Forget about all the racist bullshit that came out since the election of Obama including, but not limited to the first lady being compared to monkeys, graphics with watermelons all over the white house lawn, and my favorite the Obama one where he is dressed up like a witch doctor.

We don't care about reproductive rights, gay marriage, or any other liberal causes. We just want the darkest man possible in office.

You win, CF. Only white voters are able to weigh the pluses and minuses of a candidate and decide what's good for them. Maybe we can start making black votes only count as a half of a vote.

That will solve the problem.

[CF DolFan]

We don't care about reproductive rights, gay marriage, or any other liberal causes. We just want the darkest man possible in office.

You win, CF. Only white voters are able to weigh the pluses and minuses of a candidate and decide what's good for them. Maybe we can start making black votes only count as a half of a vote.

That will solve the problem.

Lol ... I don't get the anger.

I grew up, work, and live in a town that has a 30% black demographic. I don't have black friends, I have life long best friends that are black. Drug dealers, pastors, construction workers, businessmen, and even politicians. I have black family members on different sides. My wife was the one white girl on our high school track team who also has life long best friends of color.

As well ...  my conservative, white pastor is also Obama's spiritual adviser.  I am one of the least racist people you will ever meet. I don't get offended but it does make me laugh when I am accused of being the evil white man.  You might as well be calling me a car. They are both about as truthful.

[Buddhagirl]

It's offensive to have not just you, but the Republicans reduce the black vote down to color. It implies that we are not capable of making an informed decision. If you were truly speaking to all of the blacks you know you'd understand that we are capable of making a decision based on what we believe and want just as you are.

[Landshark]

This poll is misinformed. Most black churches are considered evangelistic. In fact I would be willing to bet on average, at least in the south, that more black churches hold the Bible as litteral than white mainstream churches. Mainstream churches have a tendency to be affected by culture. Yes I have been to black churches and have even had a whole congregation lay hands on me and pray.

And I'm willing to bet a LOT of those black churches will vote Republican.  There are a few black churches in Panama City.  The one that I'm familiar with, the pastor is a staunch Republican. 

[Spider-Dan]

Buddhagirl, it's very simple:

There's no way that 90%+ of black voters could be rejecting GOP politics/policy, because it's totally not racist and why do you guys keep accusing us of racism?  Therefore, the real answer must be that the black voters are racist.  Well, and the Hispanic voters.  And the Asian voters.

i.e. "it's not me, it's you"

Personally, I say: have at it, conservatives.  Maybe you lost because your message was diluted too much.  Go ahead and double-down on your "food stamp president" and "welfare queens" and "amnesty-seeking illegals" and "abortionist sluts" and "legitimate rape" talk.  And as you continue to lose every demographic but old white men, you can keep on blaming it on racism and sexism and People Who Want Stuff.  But it's certainly not your fault.