Tannehill's regression

[MikeO]

rather than shore up the worst secondary in the history of the team.

ha ha ha ha ha ha, history of the team? Give me a break! You haven't followed this team/franchise very long obviously

[MikeO]

Re. Tannehill, if he has another outing like the past two, with the way Moore played in relief, they should bench the kid and let him hold a clipboard. -EK

Yeah with the playoffs out of reach lets play the guy who is a career backup and will be gone after the next 6 games and leaving for another team and lets bench the guy who will be here and our starter the next few years and NOT give him valuable playing time and experience   

[Garrett]

Oh my god... Did you see Andrew Luck play yesterday? He threw a couple pick 6's yesterday, and threw several questionable balls that should have been picked. He needs to be holding a clipboard on the sideline. Boooooy has he regressed!

  He also had a couple balls tipped at the line of scrimmage, and we all know that is an impossible obstacle to overcome as a quarterback. I can't believe that they drafted luck instead of going for the best available center to replace Jeff Saturday. His regression is unstoppable!! Bench him immediately!!

[Pappy13]

Oh my god... Did you see Andrew Luck play yesterday? He threw a couple pick 6's yesterday, and threw several questionable balls that should have been picked. He needs to be holding a clipboard on the sideline. Boooooy has he regressed!

  He also had a couple balls tipped at the line of scrimmage, and we all know that is an impossible obstacle to overcome as a quarterback. I can't believe that they drafted luck instead of going for the best available center to replace Jeff Saturday. His regression is unstoppable!! Bench him immediately!!

What's the common denominator? Both QB's were playing from behind and their running game has been non-existant. Put rookie QB's in a position to HAVE to pass and the defense has the advantage. It's not really all that surprising. What's surprising to me at least from a Dolphin perspective is that Miami has been so pathetic running the ball. I don't know if it's Bush or if it's the offensive line, probably a little of both, but it's been going downhill for a long time and Bush doesn't scare anyone now. That allows the safeties to stay back which takes any chance that Hartline and Bess had of getting over the top of the defense away and what you have left is a recipe for disaster. All Miami has to do is start running the ball a little bit again and stop giving up long returns and long drives every time you turn around and Tannehill will be fine. Continue to play like they have been and Tannehill will continue to struggle. But it's so much easier to simply blame 1 person rather than look at the big picture and see that the team as whole has been to blame, not a single player. I WISH it was just a Tannehill problem, the truth is it goes WAY deeper than that.

[Garrett]

^^^ Wow.... I'm almost embarrassed for you that I have to explain the sarcasm in my post.

   The common denominator is that both quarterbacks are rookies and are going to make mistakes and have bad games. I've been frustrated with Tannehill the last couple games as well. But you have to know going in that there are going to be growing pains. Remember at the first game of the season when Tannehill had a few balls tipped at the line of scrimmag? Well a member of this site (I'm sure everyone knows who I'm talking about) said that was going to be an ongoing problem and it could not be cured. Guess what... He's only had a few tipped since then in the following 9 games. I see every QB in the league have balls batted down.

  I've heard Trent Dilfer, Ron Jaworski, Matt Hasselback, and Mike Ditka all put huge praise on Tannehill and his ability to be a great QB in this league. Geez... Peter King has wrote full articles on Tannehill. I trust these guys opinions more than what random fans are puking out. Give him another good receiver, and tell the coaching staff to start using Bush out of the back field. Then Tannehill will be fine....

[Pappy13]

^^^ Wow.... I'm almost embarrassed for you that I have to explain the sarcasm in my post.

What makes you think I didn't get that you were being sarcastic? You pointed out sarcastically that 1 bad game doesn't mean you are regressing. I pointed out non sarcastically why that is. It's not JUST because they are rookies, there's more to it than that. A LOT more than that. I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was taking your point and adding my own thoughts. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[EKnight]

You guys keep believing this mess if you want. Tannehill sucks as a QB. He was not great in college and he's showing how he can't close games now. All season- ALL season- I've been saying he gets too many balls tipped and he absolutely snatches defeat from the jaws of victory in the second half of games. He's done that all year. He is not an upgrade over what we had and his numbers and ability to lose games validates this. So keep believing whatever you want; in three years when Miami is drafting a QB AGAIN, remember that I said this since the preseason. -EK

[Pappy13]

You guys keep believing this mess if you want. Tannehill sucks as a QB. He was not great in college and he's showing how he can't close games now. All season- ALL season- I've been saying he gets too many balls tipped and he absolutely snatches defeat from the jaws of victory in the second half of games. He's done that all year. He is not an upgrade over what we had and his numbers and ability to lose games validates this. So keep believing whatever you want; in three years when Miami is drafting a QB AGAIN, remember that I said this since the preseason. -EK

Thanks for the tip EK, but I don't think anyone really needs you to explain it to us. You are going to come here every week that Tannehill plays poorly and tell us how bad he really is and every week that he plays well we won't hear from you. It's nice that you have this burning desire to be "Right" about Tannehill, but unfortunately your behavior is more like a petulant child that didn't get his way when Miami drafted him rather than any real critique on his play. Did you even watch the game this week because you've already admitted that you don't always watch the games. You have also admitted that you're not a hard core fan of the team, you're only a casual fan, so I'm not really sure I understand your motivation. Why is it so important for you to point out his flaws to us anyway? Why do you care how he plays? You've already said it doesn't really matter to you if the Dolphins win or lose, so why the hate for Tannehill anyway? What do you get out of it? Do you just enjoy coming here to stir things up or do you need for us to say "you're right"? What is it that you are wanting and why?

This is not an attack on you so please don't make it into one, it's an honest question. Why this fixation on Tannehill?

[EKnight]

It's not a fixation so much as pointing out reality. Ever since the guy was drafted, people here have acted like he's the savior of the franchise. He isn't. But that doesn't stop the weekly threads about this writer or that that media source riding his jock. When Marshall and Henne were here, the same 2 or 3 people had negative things to say about them week in and week out, irrespective of their game play. No one said anything to them, though, so why the backlash on me for presenting a POV other than "Tannehill is the future." Or is it just sour grapes that he continues to show the flaws I pointed out from day one with no improvement?

Re. Blackmon not playing injured, he sprained an ankle in early September and was continuously a topic of Jacksonville sports media regarding his health and performance throughout Sept/Oct. I have no idea if he was or was not on the official report, but his ankle injury was well documented. -EK

[Pappy13]

It's not a fixation so much as pointing out reality. Ever since the guy was drafted, people here have acted like he's the savior of the franchise.

Not everyone. In fact most I would say have been at most cautiously optimistic about him.

But that doesn't stop the weekly threads about this writer or that that media source riding his jock.

So you believe it falls on you to set them straight? Even the threads that were started were not all "Tannehill is a god", more "Tannehill is further along then we thought he would be". I don't think that's going overboard do you? I don't see why you have to insist that he sucks when he has a bad game. Couldn't you just stress that we should continue to take a wait and see attitude about him like some others have taken? Wouldn't that be setting people straight without having to beat your own chest about "being right about him"?

When Marshall and Henne were here, the same 2 or 3 people had negative things to say about them week in and week out, irrespective of their game play. No one said anything to them, though, so why the backlash on me for presenting a POV other than "Tannehill is the future."

That's untrue. I was one of Henne's supporters and often came to his defense. I can't say the same for Marshall, but I at least had Henne's back and there are those that had Marshall's back and still do. And presenting the opposite POV other than "Tannehill is the future" doesn't have to be that he "sucks", it can be that "We don't know whether Tannehill is the future or not at this point". True? I believe if you presented your arguments from that POV you would get much more support here, you would get my support for that POV.

Or is it just sour grapes that he continues to show the flaws I pointed out from day one with no improvement?

Actually I think there has been plenty of improvement from day one, but you always seem to be absent on those weeks. You only seem to catch the game when he plays poorly.

[MikeO]

Actually I think there has been plenty of improvement from day one, but you always seem to be absent on those weeks. You only seem to catch the game when he plays poorly.

He only shows up after a loss, never shows up after a win. And when the Fins win or Tannehill plays well he comes here weeks after and claims "I didn't watch that week so I can't say he played well I didn't see it"

The act is old. His act is stale. It's tired!  He isn't even a Dolphins fan its very clear

[badger6]

I'm kinda seeing Henne 2.0 with Tannehill. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[MikeO]

I'm kinda seeing Henne 2.0 with Tannehill. Hopefully I'm wrong.

You can't compare his 9 or 10 games vs Henne's 2 years. Not fair. Maybe in time he is Henne 2.0, but right now that is an unfair statement. Far too early

[Garrett]

Um... Ron Jaworski and Trent Dilfer are not writers or reporters. They are analysts. And probably the best in the biz when it comes to analyzing QB's. They watch hours of film, and both are highly critical. So I'll keep respecting their opinion on Tannehill over someone who says they've only watched a few games. And conveniently only watched games the fins lost.

[EKnight]

Pappy- why does my opinion bother you so much one way or another? I don't get it. If you disagree, great but you are coming across as if I have personally offended you.

Garrett- if Miami would win a few more games that Tannehill's been a key player in, perhaps I'd have something different to say. They're 4-6, and in reality one win came with Moore at the helm, so if you're telling me that a 3-6 QB with nearly twice as many INT's as TD's and a QBR of 70 is the future of the franchise, then it doesn't matter what I say. Your aqua and orange glasses have skewed your perspective beyond what is logical. I've said since day one he had a poor completion % in college, he got too many INTs due to tipped balls in college, and he loses games in the fourth quarter. Those are not things QBs improve on in the pros when the game moves faster. All this talk about, "we'll he's a rookie, he'll get better," isn't going to fix those three issues. They won't get better. Even Sanchez has more wins, more TDs, a better QBR, and fewer INT's than Tannehill. The guy now has people saying Nick Foles has more upside than he does, and Foles is awful!

Either way, the title of this thread is "Tannehill's regression." What, you thought everyone would be praising him in it? -EK