Game Balls - Seattle Seahawks

[badger6]

The decision was HORRIBLE, agreed, but the roughing call was NOT questionable. On the contrary, it was friggin' obvious and is the kind that gets called EVERY time. Just because the player also tried to bat the ball doesn't mean he isn't responsible for where and how he lands -- and when that's right in the quarterbacks helmet, well, that's roughing. The same thing goes for blocking punts... Jumping up or in front of the kicker is fine, but if you collide with him, none of that matters.

The penalty is but a side note. The decision was made to throw the ball. That decision was made before the penalty. The penalty had nothing to do with the interception. It was a terrible decision. The penalty only reversed the play. Even though the play didn't count, the play did still happen. You guys are blinded by the instant gratification of a 3 point last second win. I'm glad everyone thought Tanne and the Dolphins did so good yesterday. If you got exactly the same performance in the next 15 games I bet you wouldn't be so happy.

[Pappy13]

So if the ball would have been caught for a TD, it wouldn't have mattered because the decision was still a bad one? So the outcome is NOT what matters, what matters is the decision? I thought you said earlier in another thread that winning and losing were the only things that matter, so even if Tannehill makes a bad decision, if they end up winning because of that poor decision, that's still good right? Are you saying now that winning and Losing is NOT all that matters, but rather decisions that are made is all that matters?

If that's the case then his INT earlier in the game doesn't matter because his intent was to throw the ball to Bess who was open, it was a good decision, but it was a poorly thrown pass, but the outcome doesn't matter only the decision process.

You also said in that other thread that how you play for 4 quarters matters, so 1 bad decision (that didn't cost Miami the game) has to be weighed against the 18 good decisions that Tannehill made that helped Miami win the game, correct? And if the Dolphins DO win the next 15 games (the same performance) I'll be one happy SOB.

So which is it Badger? Which of these is "all that matters"? Perhaps what you really mean is that all of it matters and you have be subjective about it. Winning and losing is important, but that's NOT all that matters. Decision making is important too, but again it's NOT all that matters. Playing good for 4 quarters is important too, but playing good for 1 quarter if you end up winning can be equally as important. There is no ALL THAT MATTERS, it's the sum of all the pieces put together that's really important.

When you look at it like that you realize that while Tannehill certainly could have played better, he played well long enough to win the game which is pretty good in the big scheme of things and his throwing that horrible pass right there was actually a great thing because the play was overturned so it didn't cost Miami the game and perhaps Tannehill learned not to throw that pass ever again. I'm pretty sure he'll at least think twice about that pass the next time, we can only hope his decision is better the next time.

[el diablo]

Since I don't believe in giving coaches game balls,

Soliai, Bush, and Dan Carpenter.

[badger6]

So if the ball would have been caught for a TD, it wouldn't have mattered because the decision was still a bad one? So the outcome is NOT what matters, what matters is the intent? I thought you said earlier in another thread that winning and losing were the only things that matter, so even if Tannehill makes a bad decision, if they end up winning because of that poor decision, that's still good right? Are you saying now that winning and Losing is NOT all that matters, but rather what was intended is all that matters?

If that's the case then his INT earlier in the game doesn't matter because his intent was to throw the ball to Bess who was open, it was a good decision, but it was a poorly thrown pass, but the outcome doesn't matter only the intent.

You also said in that other thread that how you play for 4 quarters matters, so 1 bad decision (that didn't cost Miami the game) has to be weighed against the 18 good decisions that Tannehill made that helped Miami win the game, correct? And if the Dolphins DO win the next 15 games (the same performance) I'll be one happy SOB.

So which is it Badger? Which of these is "all that matters"? Perhaps what you really mean is that all of it matters and you have be subjective about it. Winning and losing is important, but that's NOT all that matters. Intent is important too, but again it's NOT all that matters. Playing good for 4 quarters is important too, but playing good for 1 quarter if you end up winning can be equally as important. There is no ALL THAT MATTERS, it's the sum of all the pieces put together that's really important.

When you look at it like that you realize that while Tannehill certainly could have played better, he played well long enough to win the game which is pretty good in the big scheme of things.

You get way too worked up over a GAME. I said, all that matters is wins/loses, and they lost the last 3 games that according to most here, said they should have won. Every squirrel gets a nut once in a while. He played shitty for 75% of the game. He played a good 4th quarter and  was fortunate to get a break to help him win the game in spite of his interception in the end zone. This is not the first time he has looked bad in a game or his interceptions have cost us. Pappy, you see him march down the field in the 4th quarter superman comeback. Others see it as him having 1 good quarter out of a bunch of bad ones lately. Some of you get as giddy as a schoolgirl in heat over any win we can muster up anyway we can get it, despite a lackluster performance by half the team. I would rather call it like I see it and admit the reality of the situation. While I won't yet call Tannehill a bust, at this point I'm beginning to see shades of Henne. And back when we had Henne, you were just as in love with him and just as wrong about him too.

Oh BTW, if they put out the same performance as yesterday for the next 15 games, they might win 6-7 of them if they are lucky.

[Pappy13]

Pappy, you see him march down the field in the 4th quarter superman comeback.  Others see it as him having 1 good quarter out of a bunch of bad ones lately.

I simply see a come from behind 4th quarter win. Something that no Dolphins QB has been able to do since 2009 and hasn't done since 2005 when they were trailing by a TD. It doesn't make him superman but it was more than just a good quarter, it was a good 4th quarter for a win. Anyone who believes that doesn't make a difference has never experienced it themselves. I saw Chad Henne have a good quarter or 2 here or there, but I never saw him pull out a win in the 4th quarter for Miami and yes I thought he would, but he never did it. Tannehill has. It doesn't mean much only doing it one time, but it does mean something. Once you've done it once you can do it again. More importantly you believe you can do it again and so does your team. Listen to Bess' comments or Philbin's or some of the others what they said about it. He didn't do it against Cleveland either, he did it against one of the better defenses in the NFL. It was an important win for Tannehill. It doesn't mean he's arrived, it doesn't mean he's a franchise QB and it doesn't mean he'll ever do it again, but he's done it once which is one more than Henne ever did. It's a start.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[badger6]

I simply see a come from behind 4th quarter win. Something that no Dolphins QB has been able to do since 2009 and hasn't done since 2005 when they were trailing by a TD. It doesn't make him superman but it was more than just a good quarter, it was a good 4th quarter for a win. Anyone who believes that doesn't make a difference has never experienced it themselves. I saw Chad Henne have a good quarter or 2 here or there, but I never saw him pull out a win in the 4th quarter for Miami and yes I thought he would, but he never did it. Tannehill has. It doesn't mean much only doing it one time, but it does mean something. Once you've done it once you can do it again. More importantly you believe you can do it again and so does your team. Listen to Bess' comments or Philbin's or  some of the others what they said about it. He didn't do it against Cleveland either, he did it against one of the better defenses in the NFL. It was an important win for Tannehill. It doesn't mean he's arrived, it doesn't mean he's a franchise QB and it doesn't mean he'll ever do it again, but he's done it once which is one more than Henne ever did. It's a start.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Not sure what you mean. You say that it hasn't happened since 2009 and then say it hasn't happened since 2005 in the same sentence. I would have to check those facts, I find it hard to believe that the dolphins haven't had a 4th quarter comeback since 2005. It doesn't matter anyhow, 4th quarter comebacks happen all the time in the NFL. And just because our team hasn't had one in 100 years doesn't mean that it's impressive or unique at all. Actually it says much more about our team over the past few years than it says about Tanne in yesterdays game.

Anyhow, my pick is Clay

[Pappy13]

Not sure what you mean. You say that it hasn't happened since 2009 and then say it hasn't happened since 2005 in the same sentence. I would have to check those facts, I find it hard to believe that the dolphins haven't had a 4th quarter comeback since 2005.

The Dolphins won in 2009 when they were losing by 2 points going into the 4th quarter. They kicked a FG in the 4th quarter (the only scoring in the 4th quarter) to win by 1, not exactly a huge come from behind victory staged by the QB. The last time they were down by a TD or more going into the 4th quarter and won the game was 2005. The Dolphins had the ball at the Jets 38 going into the 4th quarter down by a TD. Ricky Williams had a 23 yard TD run to tie it and then Sage Rosenfels hit Marty Booker on a 50 yard TD to put them up by a TD. They held on to win by 4.

It doesn't matter anyhow, 4th quarter comebacks happen all the time in the NFL.

But they haven't happened to Miami very often since #13 retired and mostly that's been because Miami hasn't been built to come back on teams once they get behind. They have been built for most of that time to get a lead and hold onto it, but if they fell behind, they didn't have the players to stage a comeback. It's been a sore spot for me. You might as well turn off the game if they were down by a TD or more going into the 4th quarter because there was very little chance they would win the game.

And just because our team hasn't had one in 100 years doesn't mean that it's impressive or unique at all. Actually it says much more about our team over the past few years than it says about Tanne in yesterdays game.

Why do you think it is they even keep the stat for QB's then? Most believe it's an important aspect of a QB, the ability to come from behind because typically it takes strong QB play since teams start to pass more trying to catch up late in the game. Philbin and Sherman have changed the offense. They still like to run the ball, but mainly to setup play action passes. It may just be coincidence, but I believe that Miami is better suited to try to stage a comeback now then they have been in the past dozen years or so. It's one of the things the ground and pound offense that Sparano and others favored was weak in. The west-coast offense is far better suited to it. Yes it says something about the Dolphins overall and it says something about Tannehill as well. Even though Seattle knew Tannehill was going to pass, they couldn't stop him for most of the 4th quarter.

[MikeO]

For clarification: From the Miami Herald

Before Sunday, the Dolphins had lost 49 consecutive games when trailing by seven or more in the fourth quarter, according to Elias. Their last win in that scenario: Dec. 28, 2005 against the Jets.

[badger6]

For clarification: From the Miami Herald

Before Sunday, the Dolphins had lost 49 consecutive games when trailing by seven or more in the fourth quarter, according to Elias. Their last win in that scenario: Dec. 28, 2005 against the Jets.

Hmmmm, I didn't know that. Goes to show how bad we have been for so long. I still don't see how it's relevant. The law of averages probably would dictate that you'll eventually get one. That could have been the one yesterday.

[tubba marxxx]

the grounds crew gets my game ball

[Fins4ever]

For clarification: From the Miami Herald

Before Sunday, the Dolphins had lost 49 consecutive games when trailing by seven or more in the fourth quarter, according to Elias. Their last win in that scenario: Dec. 28, 2005 against the Jets.

AMAZING stat. Would have never guessed that! Thanks!~

[EKnight]

It may just be coincidence, but I believe that Miami is better suited to try to stage a comeback now then they have been in the past dozen years or so. It's one of the things the ground and pound offense that Sparano and others favored was weak in. The west-coast offense is far better suited to it. Yes it says something about the Dolphins overall and it says something about Tannehill as well. Even though Seattle knew Tannehill was going to pass, they couldn't stop him for most of the 4th quarter.

Not trying to stir the pot, but how do you account for the 3 4th quarter/OT losses this year, in which they couldn't come back and win? Do you feel like the offense is finally getting hold of the system Philbin installed, and that accounts for the better performance last week? Just looking for some consistency, as they really haven't been very good this year late vs. any other year if they're 1-3 in these kinds fo games. -EK

[Dave Gray]

For clarification: From the Miami Herald

Before Sunday, the Dolphins had lost 49 consecutive games when trailing by seven or more in the fourth quarter, according to Elias. Their last win in that scenario: Dec. 28, 2005 against the Jets.

Frightening.

[MikeO]

Not trying to stir the pot, but how do you account for the 3 4th quarter/OT losses this year, in which they couldn't come back and win?

Did Dan Carpenter's missed kicks NOT happen in the Jets game? I mean seriously, Tannehill led them down the field, Carp choked! Let's not re-write history.

[masterfins]

Just curious, but I thought this thread was for "game balls"; why does it seem just about every thread degenerates into an argument over Tannehill, or some other item that has been covered ad nauseum??