Tannehill--ESPN QB Rating for this week

[masterfins]

I studied statistics in college and the bottom line is there is not, and will never be a perfect methodology in defining a stat. You can pretty much manipulate the data to prove or disprove a given point of view. I have a book called Lies, Damned Lies & Statistics. It says it all. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

Thank you, you are correct.  Stats should only be a minor point in evaluating things.

[BigDaddyFin]

I hate that stupid ass Quarterback Rating Stat.

ESPN's QBR is even worse. 

People keep inventing formulas to prove the quarterback they like was the best ever.  We'll be arguing that point for as long as there's an NFL (and probably longer).

[Pappy13]

I studied statistics in college and the bottom line is there is not, and will never be a perfect methodology in defining a stat. You can pretty much manipulate the data to prove or disprove a given point of view.

While I agree, there's no doubt that some ways of looking at stats are better than others. I think the Total QBR is better than the antiquated QB rating. That was the whole point of the Total QBR, to come up with a better statistical analysis than the QB rating. No one is suggesting that it is the best way to determine QB performance, but it at least takes more into consideration than just pure offensive stats. It takes things into consideration like the defense, the situation, the impact on the game etc. It also takes into consideration other negative plays like fumbles and sacks that the QB rating does not. It also takes into consideration things like scrambles which again the QB rating does not. It also takes things into consideration on pure offensive stats as well for instance yards after the catch, so when Tom Brady throws a short pass to Shane Vareen who then runs 83 yards for a TD, that doesn't give Tom Brady as much of a boost to his rating as it would in the QB rating system.

It's also not strictly an evaluation of how well the QB played per se, rather it's more of an evaluation of how much the QB contributed to the outcome of the game. So for instance do you give more credit to Shane Vareen on that 83 yard TD play or Tom Brady? It's more of an eyeball test then a straight numbers game if you will. That's why I like it.

[EKnight]

It is what it is. Tannehill is still middle of the pack by TQBR (19th? I think), and next to last among starters in the "normal" QBR. The thruth is, he's probably somewhere in between those two (19-31) in overall play. Since Mike brought this up and was quick to point out in the game thread how the pass defense wasn't all that bad:

Defense is playing well today. Can't be upset with only giving up 7pts in a half

Shredded? One big missed tackle led to a big play. Other than that it was dink and dunk stuff

Some of you people really exaggerate stuff.

I'm curious how he would reconcile Wilson having the best TQBR for the week. -EK

[badger6]

It is what it is. Tannehill is still middle of the pack by TQBR (19th? I think), and next to last among starters in the "normal" QBR. The thruth is, he's probably somewhere in between those two (19-31) in overall play. Since Mike brought this up and was quick to point out in the game thread how the pass defense wasn't all that bad:

I'm curious how he would reconcile Wilson having the best TQBR for the week. -EK

Cause the Dolphins D got put in the grinder and ground to dust.

[EKnight]

Oh. Well that explains it, then.  -EK

[Fins4ever]

Thank you, you are correct.  Stats should only be a minor point in evaluating things.

The amount of variables in a given set of data can be enormous and will affect the outcome and misplace the outliers.

For example, here are some important factors that do not go into a QB's rating. A QBR is just raw data subjected to a defined method of calculation....nothing more.

1. Quality of the O line. Did he have all day or ran for his life.

2. Did the QB have a running game? If not, being forced to pass will certainly hurt his rating.

3. Quality of defense

4. Quality of his WR's


You get the idea. In short, should Brady, who usually has excellent protection and a mature WR core, be compared to the QB for AZ. who has a horrible O line and 1 quality WR?

I rest my case.   

[Pappy13]

The amount of variables in a given set of data can be enormous and will affect the outcome and misplace the outliers.

For example, here are some important factors that do not go into a QB's rating. A QBR is just raw data subjected to a defined method of calculation....nothing more.

1. Quality of the O line. Did he have all day or ran for his life.

2. Did the QB have a running game? If not, being forced to pass will certainly hurt his rating.

3. Quality of defense

4. Quality of his WR's


You get the idea. In short, should Brady, who usually has excellent protection and a mature WR core, be compared to the QB for AZ. who has a horrible O line and 1 quality WR?

I rest my case.   

Total QBR factors in all of those things to some degree. It factors in Quality of defense, YAC, drops, down and distance, QB hits and pressures etc.