2013 Hall of Fame Ballot

[Landshark]

What he did was wrong and lieing about it made it worse....but a lifetime ban???  Seems harsh to me. Almost every other athlete gets a second chance.

Who was the pitcher that was suspended something like 7 times for cocaine? Steve something.   

Steve Howe must be the guy you're referring to.  Sad story there

[BigDaddyFin]

Joe Jackson and Pete Rose belong in the Hall of Fame before any of these guys.  Of the 5 the only one I see that I like is Piazza.  I would argue that Biggio should get in.  3000 hits, plus the guy was notorious for taking one for the team if I remember correctly, and he had decent power.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Biggio played in 2 huge hitter's parks in his career. 291 HR in 20 years isn't great. Career 112 OPS+. It's a very good career and one day he may get in on the 15th or something try like Jim Rice, but nothing about him screams Hall of Famer except the 3,000 hits which he just got from playing for so long. The fact that he played 3 different positions and won Gold Gloves at 2 of them are remarkable, even if Gold Gloves are incredibly useless nowadays.

[EDGECRUSHER]

The ever reliable "sources" is reporting that Bonds and Clemens are going to fall short of being inducted. No word on what their actual percentages are, but it wouldn't be surprising if this were true.

[Landshark]

The ever reliable "sources" is reporting that Bonds and Clemens are going to fall short of being inducted. No word on what their actual percentages are, but it wouldn't be surprising if this were true.

Looks like your sources were right on.  Jacob Ruppert, Hank O'Day and Deacon White are this year's inductees.

[EDGECRUSHER]

That was just the Veteran's Committee selections. They specialize mainly in older players who aren't on the ballot anymore.

The main voting didn't take place yet, but it's unlike Bonds and Clemens get in this time around. Too much heat and the precedent has been set with how little support McGwire got.

I think it's Piazza and maybe Biggio, just because he looks squeaky clean next to everyone else.

[EDGECRUSHER]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgrifr01.shtml

I was over at Deadspin and they were running down the guys who won't get elected this time around and haven't been elected yet. They got to Fred McGriff and said this "So they don't vote in the guys who might have inflated their numbers with PEDs. But then they also don't vote in the guys, like McGriff, whose stats suffer only in comparison to the inflated numbers. Makes sense".

If you think that a guy was on steroids and don't want him in, then fine, but don't use his numbers as a way to show why another player doesn't measure up. Why isn't McGriff in the HoF? 493 HR, 2,500 hits. Career OPS+ of 134. Excellent postseason numbers. Yet, he is at 23.9% now and really has no chance whatsoever. Why?

[Landshark]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgrifr01.shtml

I was over at Deadspin and they were running down the guys who won't get elected this time around and haven't been elected yet. They got to Fred McGriff and said this "So they don't vote in the guys who might have inflated their numbers with PEDs. But then they also don't vote in the guys, like McGriff, whose stats suffer only in comparison to the inflated numbers. Makes sense".

If you think that a guy was on steroids and don't want him in, then fine, but don't use his numbers as a way to show why another player doesn't measure up. Why isn't McGriff in the HoF? 493 HR, 2,500 hits. Career OPS+ of 134. Excellent postseason numbers. Yet, he is at 23.9% now and really has no chance whatsoever. Why?

Former Marlins outfielder Jeff Conine, who is on the ballot for the first time this year, spoke out and totally blasted Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa.  Apparently he's in good with the writers and he feels that they will make these guys pay for what they did and not let them in.

[EDGECRUSHER]

Yeah, they have no chance this year and Sosa has no chance whatsoever. You can't convict them in a court of law but you can certainly convict them in the court of public opinion, and that's what the HoF is anyway.

Maybe one day Bonds and Clemens will get in, but I have my doubts.

[raptorsfan29]

no players were elected to the hall, first time it's happened since 1996. You would have thought at least Craig Biggio a guy with over 3000 hits would have gotten in. But he was the closest with 39 votes away.

[bsfins]

I really enjoyed the debate show on MLB Network lastnight about,for and against who might or might now make it this year,and why.......It doesn't surprise me about No one...

[EDGECRUSHER]

Biggio is more borderline than people think because he is the weakest hitter to ever get 3,000 hits. He really just accumulated his numbers over a long career rather than be a dominant player. No one ever said "Oh no, it's Biggio".

Piazza not getting in surprised me a bit because he has never been linked to steroids outside of locker room rumors, so he should've gotten in. The assumption he did steroids is WAY different than the assumption Bonds did steroids. With Piazza, you see a big guy and a dominant hitter. With Bonds, you see a dominant hitter who then put on 40 pounds of muscle at Age 37, grew 4 hat sizes and hit 73 Homeruns. So, it's pretty obvious that Barry cheated but not so much that Piazza did.

[Landshark]

no players were elected to the hall, first time it's happened since 1996. You would have thought at least Craig Biggio a guy with over 3000 hits would have gotten in. But he was the closest with 39 votes away.

Wham, Bam, Alacazam.  Just say no to Roiders

[Sunstroke]

Piazza and Biggio should both be in there, imo...

[Landshark]

Piazza and Biggio should both be in there, imo...

I agree with you there.  But the fact that both Bonds and Clemens couldn't crack the 40% mark speaks volumes.