Why is everyone in LOVE with Tannehill?

[MikeO]

I agree with your post up until a point. Like I said, I'm gonna call it like I see it. But to say that someone should be laughed at and mocked is silly. It could be you or me being laughed at and mocked next time for having an opinion. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. Why does everyone care so much what everyone else thinks ?

Like Sunstroke said..."There's no agreeing to disagree that a quarter is worth more than a dime..." Some things just aren't an "opinion"... its just spewing nonsense for the sake of spewing nonsense!

But back to the original point, calling it like you see it is fine. As long as its fair. I got no problem ripping players. Hell I have ripped Jake Long and Reggie Bush this year. Both have under performed in my opinion and I wouldn't shed a tear of both are gone next year. I can back it up with stats, injuries, and contract demands vs our salary cap situation. You might not agree, which is fine but at least that is a logical debate we can have. To call for Philbin's head and call for Ross to hire Gruden or to call Tannehill a bust at halftime of Week 1 is just silly nonsense that can't be taken seriously. That can be laughed at and mocked in my opinion.

[tepop84]

who is comparing tannehill to brady and rodgers, we are comparing him to below average nfl starters and he still isnt stacking up. 

[EKnight]

Absolutely. Below average would be a step up. He's near the bottom of the league in most meaningful statistical categories- including the biggest one, wins. -EK

[Dolphin-UK]

Absolutely. Below average would be a step up. He's near the bottom of the league in most meaningful statistical categories- including the biggest one, wins. -EK

Conscious that I am feeding the troll but here goes...

I wasn't aware that Ryan Tannehill was representing him self in the league? Last time I checked "Wins" was a team stat? You know, team as in the 53 man roster, coaches, GM, practice squad etc

You are cherry picking statistics to suit your argument. If you are going to say the "lack" of wins is on him, then by the same token you have to accept that he had his team within a shot of the wildcard this year until this weeks' loss. This is where you say the wins are in spite of him but it doesn't work like that.

Not bad for a guy who's "terrible", a rookie and dealing with what is universally acknowledged (by actual experts paid for their opinion rather than armchair internet pundits such as yourself) as a roster which is lacking offensive talent to work with.

In my view, the unfortunate thing here is that certain people insist on going ballistic as soon as you post something inflammatory, which you enjoy and you degrade the argument down to a slanging match. In doing so you avoid any logical debate and thus never have to account for your views.

I can't decide if you are a genuine Dolphin fan or a Jet fan troll bitter at having to suffer from Sanchez and Tebow. You're entitled to your opinion but that fact that it is wrong just amuses me.

Personally I haven't seen enough of RT to decide whether he's the future of the franchise yet but from what I have seen he has the oppurtunity to get there and this seasons' bumps in a team which was not expected to get very far at all will only serve him well moving forward.

[EKnight]

I agree with some of what you're saying, but hear me out- in a QB driven league, when you're expected to be an improvement over the guy you replaced, wins DO matter. Especially when given the opportunity to lead game winning drives late, he has struggled badly, turning the ball over in the fourth and costing games twice (or was it three times this year) against only one win. He had a penchant for doing the same thing in college, which shows he HASN'T grown. Surely, the talent he has in Miami is better than what he had at A & M?

FWIW, the "actual experts paid for their opinion" are starting to point out that his mistakes and lack of accuracy are catching up with him, and perhaps he's not as good as the "armchair internet pundits" here believe him to be.

To clear up the "am I a Dolphin fan" point, I hate the Jets as a team, and have been a Fins fan for as long as I can remember watching football. I was born at Homestead, and they were my home team; always have been. I doubt every other person here can say that. When I was younger, I lived and died watching Marino and the Marks brothers, but as I got older, I did realize that it's OK to be more objective and less fanatical. I just don't get fans of teams who see them have a losing season year after year after year and still believe that there's a winning, talented product on the field. A reality check is in order for them. I watched RT play several college games because two friends of mine are A & M fans. I saw the good and the bad. I have believed from day one he was not good NFL QB material, and he hasn't done anything to change my mind. Honestly, he was handed the same system he had in college, which put him ahead of the curve for the rest of his rookie class and you can say whatever you want about his supporting cast, but I don't believe they're much better (if at all) than many of the other rookie QBs who are out-performing him and who had to start learning an NFL system from scratch, not knowing 80% of the offense before training camp even started. -EK

[Pappy13]

And if their running backs switched teams (you know, the guys who catch a ton of balls, too, in a WCO), Jax's offense would improve and Miami's would be worse. -EK

I'm assuming you are talking about Bush who has caught 24 passes for a whopping 189 yards. He has contributed VERY little to Tannehill's production. At times he's been decent running the ball, but far too often this year he's actually hurt the offense with negative yardage plays. His average has been dropping every week since the first couple of games. Thomas is an OK back, he's certainly nothing to write home about. In my opinion Jax has more weapons than does Miami.

[EKnight]

I don't find that Jennings and Owens are better than Bush and Thomas. That's just my opinion. -EK

[Dolphin-UK]

You see that seems like a much more rational argument to me.

From my point of view though, regardless of what you perceive to be a lack of talent going in, the NFL is the NFL and how a player performs there is not necessarially dictated by the skill set he had when he entered. Yes he is making mistakes, he is a rookie and will do that, but by playing him now we let him take his knocks now and see if he learns.

Every year concencus 1st round picks don't work out, and 2nd and 3rd rounders come to the fore. Even Alex Smith turned out to be servicable after being the first pick, struggling and then getting it together!

If RT had a legit #1 wr which could take attention away from Bess and Hartline, they could get open more and he wouldn't have to force throws. He also doesn't have a solid TE that he can rely on as an outlet. If he had those things and was still playing the same then yeah, I'd probably agree with you, and you might be proven right when we get those type of assets at his disposal but personally I don't believe anyone should have formed an opinon about him YET because whilst what he did in college is an indicator, it's not the be all and end all.

[EKnight]

No, it certainly isn't. But 3/4 of the way through the year, he should have improved in some of those things, and he hasn't. The knocks on him coming out of college were his accuracy, his tipped balls leading to turnovers (and turnovers in general really), and his inability to win games late. So far, I haven't seen him improve any of those things. -EK

[Brian Fein]

his inability to win games late.

This is the one that concerns me the most.  I stood down on roasting him after the Seattle game, though.

[Pappy13]

I don't find that Jennings and Owens are better than Bush and Thomas. That's just my opinion. -EK

They also have Parmele who's looked good in spots, but generally I agree with you, but it's not like Bush and Thomas make Tannehill look better. At least not enough to compensate for the better pass catchers that they have over what Miami has.

[jimmythefinger]

I think Tannehill has the makings of an excellent QB. He stands in pocket under pressure with guys coming at him and delivers a good pass. You can't teach that. He is making some rookie mistakes and I can forgive some of that. He seems to have good vision. When there's a break down in the secondary he spots it quickly. Now if he could just deliver the ball correctly we might've had two more TDs.

Still, I haven't seen him do too good in the 2 Minute Drill, and you have to wonder if that's something he can learn or an innate talent. Elway, Marino, Peyton and Eli Manning -- seems like they came into the League good at the 2 Minute Drill. Tannehill -- well maybe not so good.

And watching Andrew Luck and RG3 this week you have to wonder just how good Tannehill really is. Luck and RG3 are leading their teams to victories and the Fins are putzing out.

Think Tannehill has potential.

Then again, I don't think we ever got the most out of Chad Henne, either.

[JVides]

To the original question:

I am not in love with Tannehill.  I dig the women folk.   

However, I see potential in Tannehill to become a good, solid starter in this league.

The pros:
- He looks the part (size, speed, athleticism)
- He has a solid to more than solid arm
- He already has the coaching staff's confidence to audible (hinting at a solid mental make-up)

The con:
- He is currently 31st in NFL passer rating at 72.3 (7 TD, 12 INT)
     Fun fact worth considering: 
                Troy Aikman's rookie rating was 55.7 (9 TD, 18 INT)
                Elway's was 54.9 (7 TD, 14 INT)
                Drew Brees' was 76.9 (17 TD, 16 INT) in his second year (he sat his first)
                Matthew Stafford's was 61.0 (13TD, 20 INT)
     Granted, a bunch of BAD QBs ALSO had similar struggles and ratings as rookies, which leads to my main point:

IT. IS. TOO. SOON. TO. TELL. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

his numbers yesterday STILL were better than Tannehill's.  

Henne: 18-41 208 2 total TDs, 1 INT, 1 Fumble,
Tannehill: 13-29 186 1 total TD, 0 INTs, 1 Fumble

completetion %
Henne 43.9%
Tannehill 44.8%

Yards per attempt
Henne 5.07
Tannehill 6.41

Turnovers
Henne 2
Tannehill 1


Yup Henne's numbers were better in all areas.