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MikeO
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« on: December 12, 2012, 11:11:44 pm »

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8734487/2013-nfl-mock-draft-where-top-qb-land

For you draft junkies it has begun. McShay put out his first Mock draft today. Uses order based on today's standings. Miami picking 12th and taking DE Dion Jordan from Oregon. The first round is heavy with D-linemen and Offensive Tackles. Obviously if Miami lets Long walk I could see them going the OT route very easily to replace him. If Miami addresses WR in free agency I don't see them drafting one very high even with 5 early round picks. Only QB going in Rd 1 currently in his mock is Geno Smith going 8th to Arizona.


And for those of you wondering Matt Barkley and should Miami have passed on Tanny to hope to get Barkley....he has fallen off the face of the earth draft wise. Maybe out of Rd 1 totally according to some.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000098453/article/matt-barkley-doesnt-resemble-elite-quarterback-prospect-in-2012
Bucky Brooks brought up Tanny when talking Barkley recently

Now, it is important to note that Barkley was not a lock to be a top-10 pick a season ago. In fact, scouts told me last spring that Barkley wasn't a cinch to be the third quarterback in the 2012 draft class, despite having a more impressive collegiate résumé than Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill (who went to the Miami Dolphins with the eighth overall pick) and Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden (drafted by the Cleveland Browns at 22nd overall). Evaluators cited Barkley's lack of elite physical tools (height, arm talent and athleticism) as major concerns. Although Barkley was listed at 6-foot-2, 230 pounds, scouts questioned whether he was tall enough to play the position at the next level, and worried that his lack of athleticism would make him a sitting duck in the pocket.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2012, 03:20:52 am »

I hate all this mock draft nonsense, firstly the season isn't even done yet to set the order then we've got all the mockers pre-draft hype and workout to completely change the "big boards". I don't see the point of the mock draft other than to generate hype about the draft, but seeing as the mock rarely survives contact with the 3rd or 4th pick I especially don't understand the point of mocking all 7 rounds!

And as for the last paragraph he's effectively saying "Hey you know last year when I was touting Barkley, well, secretly I knew he wasn't as good as I was saying but decided not to let you know that until now when his stock has fallen"

Right rant over and back to the Dolphin related aspect of this story...erm, DE, why? Our front 7 is the strongest aspect of this team right now why would we spend a 1st on that position?
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2012, 06:23:50 am »



Right rant over and back to the Dolphin related aspect of this story...erm, DE, why? Our front 7 is the strongest aspect of this team right now why would we spend a 1st on that position?

Because Cam Wake is 31 years old and in this league Front 7 defensive players are far more important than secondary players (look at the Giants and their 2 SB rings) Few, if any, teams have "good secondarys" in the NFL. That is why you see guys putting up huge passing numbers. The one way to stop the passing game...put the QB on his ass!! You can't have enough pass rushers; period!

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2012, 06:37:02 am »

Because Cam Wake is 31 years old and in this league Front 7 defensive players are far more important than secondary players (look at the Giants and their 2 SB rings) Few, if any, teams have "good secondarys" in the NFL. That is why you see guys putting up huge passing numbers. The one way to stop the passing game...put the QB on his ass!! You can't have enough pass rushers; period!

I agree here.  And if Cam Wake is getting the sacks he is while drawing so many double teams, imagine what he would do if he had someone just as good as him on the opposite side.  The question is, can Vernon develop into that edge rusher?  If not, who can you realistically take?  Too bad that they think Werner of FSU and Mingo of LSU will be gone before the Dolphins pick, but this is a super early mock.  Things could change big time.  Werner's defensive line mate at FSU, Tank Carradine, could probably be had in the second or third round due to his injury status.  And he's just as imposing.

On a lighter note, it's good to see a mock draft without a quarterback in the top pick for once.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2012, 07:23:43 am »

I agree here.  And if Cam Wake is getting the sacks he is while drawing so many double teams, imagine what he would do if he had someone just as good as him on the opposite side.  The question is, can Vernon develop into that edge rusher?  If not, who can you realistically take?  Too bad that they think Werner of FSU and Mingo of LSU will be gone before the Dolphins pick, but this is a super early mock.  Things could change big time.  Werner's defensive line mate at FSU, Tank Carradine, could probably be had in the second or third round due to his injury status.  And he's just as imposing.

On a lighter note, it's good to see a mock draft without a quarterback in the top pick for once.

Don't forget Fins with 5 picks in first 3 rounds can move up anywhere in Rd 1 to take anyone they want. And with new rookie wage scale moving up is a lot easier!! Nobody is off their radar this upcoming draft!

On a lighter note, it's good to see a mock draft without a quarterback in the top pick for once.
Very BAD QB class unless some juniors come out early. Which is why taking Tannehill last year was a MUST!
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2012, 08:12:18 am »

Very BAD QB class unless some juniors come out early. Which is why taking Tannehill last year was a MUST!

Matt Barkley and Landry Jones were top ten picks last season.  Now they might not even go on day one.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2012, 10:02:38 am »

If the first round is that heavy with Offensive and Defensive linemen that means some of them are going to slide into the second round. 

I'd be still taking a WR with the first round pick. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2012, 10:05:30 am »

If the first round is that heavy with Offensive and Defensive linemen that means some of them are going to slide into the second round. 

I'd be still taking a WR with the first round pick. 

From the receiver class I see coming out, I think receiver would be better addressed in free agency.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2012, 10:25:32 am »

If the first round is that heavy with Offensive and Defensive linemen that means some of them are going to slide into the second round. 

I'd be still taking a WR with the first round pick. 
What WR in this draft class tickles you enough to spend a 10-15 pick on them?
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2012, 10:50:11 am »

What WR in this draft class tickles you enough to spend a 10-15 pick on them?

There's a couple of them that should go that high if we can nab them. I can't think of their names right now, I'll have to look them up again.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2012, 11:15:26 am »

Yup, let's surround Tannehill with defensive linemen, that'll put some points on the board. I'm glad this is just a mock... and a SUPER early one at that.
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2012, 11:31:38 am »

Someone else said that Miami should look to sign Mike Wallace and Wes Welker in the offseason.  I think that would help.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2012, 11:37:49 am »

I'm usually a "take the best guy available" for the two or three positions that you need to fill, but if Miami doesn't take a top notch WR in the 1st round I may just become a Giants or Bills fan.
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2012, 12:05:09 pm »

I prefer to wait until we know the exact draft order before starting to think about the draft.  Not that knowing the draft order is vital per se, but because until the superbowl is played I would rather think about this year than next year. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2012, 12:19:57 pm »

^^^ Easy for you to say!!   Wink
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