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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2012, 09:30:32 pm »

Wake is 31 years old.  He's not going to be around for too much longer.  You need an edge rusher on the opposite side to not only take the double team pressure off Wake, but to be there when he is gone.  Like MikeO said earlier, it's a passing league now with all the rules favoring receivers.  There's no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore.  To play defense in this league, you have to get to the quarterback and plant his face in the turf.

I'm fine with them picking a DE in the draft or in free agency, but not in the first round when we have glaring immediate needs elsewhere. 

MIA doesn't need to have a first-round WR riding the bench, and no first-round WR (this year) is good enough to come in and be a solid NFL starter. 

I don't agree with that statement.  Our WR corps is that desperate that any rookie you draft is going to play right away.  And I'll say it again we need more than one receiver. 

I can even see the logic with drafting a CB in the first round and then getting a DE in the second or third, but drafting a DE in the first round is the wrong way to go.  Just my opinion.
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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2012, 11:51:59 pm »

MIA's WR corps is desperate enough that you can't trust fixing it to some project rookie.  You either need a surefire rookie superstar (Fitzgerald/Megatron/AJ) or you need to go get a veteran Pro Bowler.  And any WR you draft this year is a project.

That's not to say that there isn't room for project rookie WRs.  But the place to pick them is not the first round.

Keep in mind that right after MIA traded for Marshall, the WR corps was considered a strength of the team; good enough that MIA felt the need to get rid of Ginn and Camarillo for peanuts.  Hartline and Bess are perfectly acceptable (maybe even good) as accessory players/#2s.  But just like 2009, when you don't have a legit #1, it makes the entire corps look worse.

With a legit #1 and a good TE, MIA's receivers would instantly become the strongest unit on the team.
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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2012, 06:45:27 am »

I'm fine with them picking a DE in the draft or in free agency, but not in the first round when we have glaring immediate needs elsewhere. 

And pass rushing isn't a glaring immediate need?  At times they give the opposing quarterback all the time in the world.  That's because Wake is constantly drawing double teams, Odrick is a tackle playing end, and they don't have a pass rushing linebacker.  If you can get a guy like Werner or Mingo, you take him.  That makes your pass rush ten times better.
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« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2012, 12:48:29 pm »

MIA's WR corps is desperate enough that you can't trust fixing it to some project rookie. 

Yes, their WR corps is very poor, so just one addition isn't going to solve the problem.  I think they need to draft the best available WR and pick someone up in free agency.
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« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2012, 01:31:10 pm »

Yes, their WR corps is very poor, so just one addition isn't going to solve the problem.  I think they need to draft the best available WR and pick someone up in free agency.

I agree wholeheartedly with adding multiple receivers, and adding a high-end WR like Wallace would be awesome. I just don't see a WR worthy of a mid-1st round pick (the first person to say "trade down" gets their eyes gouged out with a plastic spork), and I DO see an extremely good chance that Miami can get an elite caliber player at a different area of need (pass coverage, pass rush, O-line) at that spot.

Miami needs to add young talent across the roster. They'll have cap room and extra draft picks this offseason, so I just hope they make the right personnel decisions.

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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2012, 01:46:08 pm »

And pass rushing isn't a glaring immediate need?  At times they give the opposing quarterback all the time in the world.  That's because Wake is constantly drawing double teams, Odrick is a tackle playing end, and they don't have a pass rushing linebacker.  If you can get a guy like Werner or Mingo, you take him.  That makes your pass rush ten times better.

It's not the immediate need WR is, and you can fill the pass rushing need with one player.  You need at least 3 wide receivers in a combination draft or free agency, and you desperately need help in the secondary which is going to require another two or three picks. 

The defense collapses usually because it's on the field for a whole half at a time.  Why is it on the field the whole half? Because the offense can't make a first down (because we don't have a deep threat) from people ganging up in the box and Bess Fasano and Hartline being easily covered.  That secondary gave up way too many yards to marginal quarterbacks and rookies (remember the Indy game?) over the course of this year.

If you're saying to me that quarterbacks are lighting it up against us because of lack of pass rush and not because our secondary couldn't cover a high school team, we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

Don't waste a first round pick where we have glaring needs at WR and Secondary and need mulitple players in both areas when we can get a quality pass rusher in the second or third round (or free agency) and pretty much solve the problem.

Agree to disagree, Shark I still think it's a mistake.
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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2012, 01:53:22 pm »

It's not the immediate need WR is, and you can fill the pass rushing need with one player.  You need at least 3 wide receivers in a combination draft or free agency, and you desperately need help in the secondary which is going to require another two or three picks. 

The defense collapses usually because it's on the field for a whole half at a time.  Why is it on the field the whole half? Because the offense can't make a first down (because we don't have a deep threat) from people ganging up in the box and Bess Fasano and Hartline being easily covered.  That secondary gave up way too many yards to marginal quarterbacks and rookies (remember the Indy game?) over the course of this year.

If you're saying to me that quarterbacks are lighting it up against us because of lack of pass rush and not because our secondary couldn't cover a high school team, we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

Don't waste a first round pick where we have glaring needs at WR and Secondary and need mulitple players in both areas when we can get a quality pass rusher in the second or third round (or free agency) and pretty much solve the problem.

Agree to disagree, Shark I still think it's a mistake.

BigDaddy, I see where you're coming from, but I have to agree with the majority here that the receiver position is so desparate for help that you can't trust it to a rookie who may or may not get the job done.  You have to go after the marquee ones in free agency.  Of the three big names out there (Wallace, Bowe and Jennings), I think Wallace fits this group best as he is the speedy deep threat that the Dolphins hoped Clyde Gates would be.
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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2012, 07:07:37 am »

Miami can fix their WR problems by just signing one player. Miami can't afford to draft a rookie WR and wait a year or two for him to develop. WR needs to be addresed in FA. Whoever they decide to go after whether Wallace, Jennings, or Bowe as well as re-signing Hartline (as one would assume they would) would be a major step in solidifying this WR corp. I wouldn't see the need to use a 1st round pick on a WR then unless someone really good just falls in their lap.

If they re-sign Starks I think when push comes to shove the Fins won't go DE in Rd 1. If Starks walks then Odrick gets moved back to DT (his natural position) and that opens up a need at DE. As you would only have Vernon then and another body is needed.

There are no TE's worth drafting in the upper half of Rd 1. If Miami packaged their 2 second rounders to move back into the end of late Rd 1 then they could go for a TE there.

As much as this will make peoples heads explode the secondary (assuming they keep Smith) is going to return 3 starters next year. Jones, Clemons, and Smith are safe in their spots. Miami just needs CB depth (ie....as does EVERY team in the NFL).  Miami just is very poor at the #2 and #3 CB. And like I said not many teams are strong there. Anyone expecting whole sale changes to the secondary is mistaken. Marshall will be back next year and healthy. I don't see Miami going nuts adding players here. They will draft a CB probably but I think that's all they do. Whether its round 1,2, or 3...who knows.



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