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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2012, 12:22:39 pm »


Assuming that:

* Miami's primary needs (OL-DB-WR-TE-Front 7 depth) remain the same after the free agency period
* Miami picks between #8-#15

...my initial wish list for Miami's pick would be, in order...

1) DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State
2) CB DeMarcus Milliner, Alabama
3) DE Dion Jordan, Oregon

On the receivers: I just don't see a ton of difference between the few WRs tickling the first round (Terrence Williams, Justin Hunter, Keenan Allen) and the next group to warrant a first rounder. Miami has 4 picks in rd 2/3, they can easily grab one or two WR upgrades in those rounds.

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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2012, 12:24:15 pm »

^^^ Easy for you to say!!   Wink

True.  But even if the Pats go one and done in the playoffs, I won't start thinking draft until after the SB.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2012, 01:37:28 pm »

Someone else said that Miami should look to sign Mike Wallace and Wes Welker in the offseason.  I think that would help.

Is this feasible, cap space wise?
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2012, 01:40:03 pm »

Is this feasible, cap space wise?

It is.  Although I wouldn't bring in Welker when you already have a receiver of his caliber (Bess) on the roster.  I'd bring in Wallace (deep threat) and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne Bowe.  Preferably all three of those guys.  And yes, that is still feasible with cap space.
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2012, 01:51:36 pm »

I doubt you will see Welker back in Miami. 

He didn't leave Miami just for money.  If all he wanted was more money he wouldn't have signed a contract with the poison pills. 

He wants a ring, a QB and money.  I see him either re-signed with NE or signing with a Denver, Indy, Texans, 49rs, Falcons, Packers, Saints, Steelers etc. Some team that give him a shot a ring. 

Only reason for him to sign with the Dolphins (or Jets/Bills) is if he is really pissed off at BB over being tagged instead of reaching a long term deal. 

Also while Bess is not the same calibur as Welker, Bess is a decent and plays the same position, money can be better spent on a deep threat such as Wallace, who is obviously more intersted in money than anything else if he wants out of Pitt.
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2012, 02:36:29 pm »

Here's another mock with the Dolphins picking up a Michigan takle to replace the departed Jake Long.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2012, 03:45:50 pm »

I'm usually a "take the best guy available" for the two or three positions that you need to fill, but if Miami doesn't take a top notch WR in the 1st round I may just become a Giants or Bills fan.
I would rather have them sign a proven commodity.  I don't want to pull a Matt Millen and draft a WR that's supposed be good, then spend the next year wondering if the problem is the WR or the QB.
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2012, 06:53:13 pm »

What WR in this draft class tickles you enough to spend a 10-15 pick on them?

Wrong question.  What is the most glaring need that we need to spend a 10-15 (assuming that's where we end up) pick on?

You're gonna waste a top 15 pick on a position we've got a decent supply of and guy who isn't going to start for probably two years by picking a defensive end?  You can probably get a decent pass rusher to line up opposite Wake if you really want to in the later rounds or in free agency.  I'm not against adding a guy on the Defensive Line as insurance, but you're still only talking one player here. 

Second, the Dolphins need more than one wide reciever.  If you keep Bess and Hartline and one of the young guys, you still need three more.  You're going to fill all those slots in free agency?  How much is that going to cost us to fill three spots with free agent guys who may only turn out to be prima donnas or worse other teams' rejects?  Then we go through next year with a stagnant offense (again) because we failed to address the reciever position (again) and can't complete passes for more than 20 yards (again). 
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2012, 07:26:15 pm »

MIA doesn't need to have a first-round WR riding the bench, and no first-round WR (this year) is good enough to come in and be a solid NFL starter.  WR needs to be addressed through free agency.  If you want a project WR to develop (after you sign some quality veterans), that's what the 3rd-7th rounds are for.

You don't take Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen at the top of the first round just because he's available.
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2012, 07:32:08 pm »

^^ Agree. PLUS if they decide to not resign Bush, as it looks like they will, they need another RB. A true #1RB for the WCO, not Thomas or Miller. Having said all of that, I would look for one of these three:

1. Taylor Lewan to replace Jake Long.
2. DeMarcus Milliner (if he's not gone) because the secondary sucks and they need a good CB...or 2.
3. Johnthan Banks (see above)

There aren't any WRs that strike me as "OOOOOH." I think that need should be filled via free agency. -EK
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2012, 07:34:28 pm »

Wrong question.  What is the most glaring need that we need to spend a 10-15 (assuming that's where we end up) pick on?

You're gonna waste a top 15 pick on a position we've got a decent supply of and guy who isn't going to start for probably two years by picking a defensive end?  You can probably get a decent pass rusher to line up opposite Wake if you really want to in the later rounds or in free agency.  I'm not against adding a guy on the Defensive Line as insurance, but you're still only talking one player here. 

Second, the Dolphins need more than one wide reciever.  If you keep Bess and Hartline and one of the young guys, you still need three more.  You're going to fill all those slots in free agency?  How much is that going to cost us to fill three spots with free agent guys who may only turn out to be prima donnas or worse other teams' rejects?  Then we go through next year with a stagnant offense (again) because we failed to address the reciever position (again) and can't complete passes for more than 20 yards (again). 

Wake is 31 years old.  He's not going to be around for too much longer.  You need an edge rusher on the opposite side to not only take the double team pressure off Wake, but to be there when he is gone.  Like MikeO said earlier, it's a passing league now with all the rules favoring receivers.  There's no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore.  To play defense in this league, you have to get to the quarterback and plant his face in the turf.
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2012, 07:35:09 pm »

Matt Barkley and Landry Jones were top ten picks last season.  Now they might not even go on day one.

Eh....take it with a grain of salt, because it's still early, but I've seen a few mocks that has Barkley going to KC or Arizona, both projected top 10 picks. -EK
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2012, 07:36:19 pm »

Eh....take it with a grain of salt, because it's still early, but I've seen a few mocks that has Barkley going to KC or Arizona, both projected top 10 picks. -EK

And those teams being quarterback desparate will reach for one.  Not a bit surprised.
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2012, 07:43:14 pm »

Wake is 31 years old.  He's not going to be around for too much longer.  You need an edge rusher on the opposite side to not only take the double team pressure off Wake, but to be there when he is gone.  Like MikeO said earlier, it's a passing league now with all the rules favoring receivers.  There's no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore.  To play defense in this league, you have to get to the quarterback and plant his face in the turf.

Some positions have high value some don't. RB isn't a position you draft high in Rd 1 anymore unless its the rare case of a Trent Richardson or Adrian Peterson. You don't need elite RB's to win anymore in this league, you can find undrafted guys who do just fine. Secondary help is almost becoming the same, hell NE has played WR's in their secondary at times and gone to Super Bowls.  The league is about the QB, Pass Rushers, and being able to THROW the ball down the field so playmakers. Everything else can be found easily. The Giants have won 2 rings now with an elite QB, big time WR's, and a very good pass rush. The Packers the same way. Pitt won their rings the same way. It's the formula for success.

RB's are a dime a dozen in this league now. CB's who can cover are impossible to find, very rare. Give me guys with speed in the secondary who can cover some but can also chase guys down and tackle. Good enough these days. But the rules make it impossible for CB's these days. 

Pass Rushers and WR's/TE's around the quarterback. That's where games are won and lost now.
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2012, 07:46:50 pm »

Terrific theory, but who's there to take? Who would you draft? 2013 looks week at a LOT of positions. -EK
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